So today my druid was going to cast mass camouflage on the party before heading off, and it was nice that he got it, but due to there not being anymore parties, he was the only one that got that nice +10 hide, as it doesn't affect non-party members.
Witnessed. Should be fixed.
....Also, should this really stack with normal Camouflage? Hide scores are high enough as is with one or the other.
I'd say they should, it's one of the main strenghts of the druid in EFU:A, and other players/monsters can always succed in a listen check.
Since this only grants hide and not move silently and is also very rare I don't think it's a problem.
Haste and Mass Haste shouldn't stack. Nor should this.
I think it really should stack considering the level spell it is and the limited number of slots a druid has for the fourth circle. Just remember that it has to be good enough to sacrifice spells like stone skin and FoM (and no, giving all your allies camo in addition to yourself really isn't bonus enough).
Haste and mass haste don't. Because they are the same effect. This should, because they are different spells and different spell effects. They were designed to stack!
And really - No PC on EFU is going to be spotting pretty much any stealther since it's pretty much impossible to get a spot ranking high enough without DM loot and skill focus, most dedicated stealthers cruise from around 32-35+ hide easily, without even one of the camo spells. Mostly the only thing that allows a stealther to be detected at all is move silently, since it is harder to get a decent MS score and there are fewer buffs to boost it.
What's the difference between:
"Target gets 150% speed increase," and "Targets get 150% speed increase," and "Target gets +10 hide," and "Targets get +10 hide" when it comes to saying one group is the "same effect" and and the other isn't.
Quote from: Box;150999Haste and mass haste don't. Because they are the same effect. This should, because they are different spells and different spell effects. They were designed to stack!
And really - No PC on EFU is going to be spotting pretty much any stealther since it's pretty much impossible to get a spot ranking high enough without DM loot and skill focus, most dedicated stealthers cruise from around 32-35+ hide easily, without even one of the camo spells. Mostly the only thing that allows a stealther to be detected at all is move silently, since it is harder to get a decent MS score and there are fewer buffs to boost it.
That's not true, but okay. It's pretty easy to get high detection scores as well and the modifiers for them are always a lingering threat to stealthers. Even with 'massive' hide skills I could be seen often by anyone willing to devout even a little effort into it compared to a character built totally around stealth.
Considering hide/move silently are cross classed for us druids, and stuff doesn't seem to merge with our wildshape forms, I'd say letting us have an additional +10 hide once we hit lvl 7 (instead of getting 10/+5 DR or FoM) isn't such a big deal.
Permanent (anything hour/level is basically be considered as such) +20 hide is definitely a big deal and should be considered carefully.
Except that seemingly huge bonus to hide counts for very little if your MS still sucks. Any way you put it strife, you could have 60 hide (Easy to do with both camo + mass) and people can still hear you if your MS is low enough, and for PVM that's enough for them to lock on and crush you. That said, it is meant for druids to be able to at least have a boost because their skills suck anyways. There's a reason why they're the only class that will be able to cast it on EFU. Rangers don't need a bigger stealth bonus and rogues certainly don't need this spell, which is why you never really see any mass camo loot. It is handy for druids who get together to sneak around the island and stuff. So no, the extra +10 (Since almost every stealther has camo anyways) in this case really isn't that big of a deal.
As for your comment nightshadow, some of the wildshapes have better stealth than you will ever have in your regular form no matter how you buff. Try to experiment with wildshapes and you'll see what I mean.
More importantly, has a non-stacking fix been made in the mean time?
Cruzel likes imaginary numbers of people having 40 hide unbuffed apparently. Either way I don't care if it stacks or not but as stated it really doesn't matter if your move silently is low (like Druids typically are and also the ones casting this spell)
Don't know about 40, but it is posible to have 28 at level 7 without items nor buffs.
*casts animate dead on the thread* I'd like to point out that this still doesn't affect other PC's, only yourself.
Should note that camo is now +6 hide/+2 ms.
Maybe Mass camo should be changed to +6/+2 (still stackable)
+12/+4 not so bad.
*necroing* Raaaaaise!
To update the discussion, Mass Camouflage will work on summons and companions, but not on friendly targets.