In nobility, a Duke outranks a Count. So Duke Trenada would actually be more important than Count Senuspur.
Which, though possible because of spoilers, seems highly unlikely!
Noble titles always confused me.
However, for the purposes here, I'd assume the count is higher ranking. :(
The RL ranking between such titles has never really mattered in the efu setting.
The real equivalent of the Count's power would be 'Prince' or 'King'.
He may have a very good IC reason for not taking such a title due to what would be expected of a man claiming either title in the Shrouded Isles.
Definitely some very ic reasons for this. IC'ly the tradition is that only one who wears the Crown of the Isles may declare themselves king of Ymph, so the Count - in the absence of the crown - simply retains the family title (for now...)
This should be fairly well know ic so do not mind spoiling.
Also - The Count sounds badass.
Well, I can see how the Count is -technically- a prince/king. However, to make official appointments that would imply the same officially, even though he's officially not, well, that just doesn't make much sense to me.
He wears the pants.
uh it's a game
BUT I WANT FULL IMMERSION DAMMIT
By the rules of ennoblement, can the Count endow a ducal title? No, but who will tell the Count "no" (except for the Heralds on mainland Faerun, but given how little interaction there is between the Isles and the mainland, and how undermanned the Heralds are anyway, that won't happen anytime soon)? Realistically, the Count can do (and has done, see Sharboneth's dissolution!) anything he wants by force of arms alone.
Quote from: Howland;153087Also - The Count sounds badass.
This.
Its a make believe world. In this case Count > Duke. Its not a big deal.
Noble titles vary nation to nation, plane of reality to plane of reality.
Emperor sounds even more baddas IMO, and it outranks anything but god.
Except in Japan, where the Emporer was revered like a Living God.
But that's another story :P
Congratulations.
When discussing this change, several DM's brought up this point. I assured them our players could not possibly be so pedantic.
I was wrong. =(
Howland hit the nail on the head, however. It is IC. The Count is actually, in effect, a King. However, he chooses to retain the title of Count. Think of it like this...How badass would someone be if they were offered the title of HIGH PRINCE and they were so cool that they were like "Nah, just call me BILL."
Are you saying that William Charles is a Prince?
i think the count's title is similar in power to cromwell's lord protector, king in all but name afaik.
I think Count Dracula was a cool Count.
he is like colonel gadaffi. he runs libiya, but is still just a colonel
Count Chocula was better.
i preferred my example
Dr Acula
Count Canzah.
Just be glad it's not some elf name.
Quote from: DangerousDan;153139he is like colonel gadaffi. he runs libiya, but is still just a colonel
Perfect example. Gadaffi's equally silly, especially because the military uniforms he wears look like they come straight out of Red Alert's Soviet army.
Wikipedia points out something that would make the Count's position more sensible as well:
QuoteWhile at odds with Western military ranking for a colonel to rule a country and serve as Commander-in-Chief of its military, in Gaddafi's own words Libya's society is "ruled by the people", so he needs no more grandiose title or supreme military rank.
Okay, major point of contention here.
Gaddafi, being a Colonel and all, has HAWT ASSASSIN FEMALE BODYGUARDS.
When will we see the debut of Zarono's Vixen Squad?
Please reply.
Kiaring wants hawt female rubies.
yo kiaring would you fuck count chocula if you were a girl or would you do it anyways now since you're bi or w/e
Basically he calls himself the Count because it is badass. Id love to see Trenda say "IM A DUKE SO IM BETTER THEN THE COUNT!" He would epically Fail and die.
Quote from: derflaro;153255yo kiaring would you fuck count chocula if you were a girl or would you do it anyways now since you're bi or w/e
A valid and interesting question. Piero, what are your thoughts?
My advice would be to not point out stuff like this and let the DMs call things whatever they want. Wern8 just gets angry and will DM kill you, even if you are RPing with a bunch of people.
He is very sensitive and you should respect that. :(
I raise a glass to every DM who felt compelled to lock this thread but decided not to.
It's because they are all eagerly awaiting Kiarings answer
Damn, this thread's still going on? Congrats for the OP then.
Quote from: Canzah;153313I raise a glass to every DM who felt compelled to lock this thread but decided not to.
So do I. I'm very surprised it's still not locked.
I eagerly anticipate the cry fest when it eventually meets its fate.
I'll get some salt to put in my eyes.
Actually I have to admit it would be better if the Rubies were an elite all female group. Can we retcon that in, guys?
Nobody will notice, I'm sure. Like nobody notice the duchy/count fiasco, as well.
We'll conveniently forget so long as you call them 'Zarono's Angels.'
Dibs on Ruby Liu
Well, they already all have female voicesets.
<3
Drexiana.
Odeius Sedak is actually a bearded woman in drag really. *SPOILERZ*
Rawr
Figured I'd get +1 post.