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Title: Slight bit about the Duchy:
Post by: Porkolt on November 12, 2009, 07:12:52 PM
In nobility, a Duke outranks a Count. So Duke Trenada would actually be more important than Count Senuspur.
 
Which, though possible because of spoilers, seems highly unlikely!
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Post by: Thomas_Not_very_wise on November 12, 2009, 07:22:37 PM
Noble titles always confused me.

However, for the purposes here, I'd assume the count is higher ranking. :(
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Post by: Oskar Maxon on November 12, 2009, 08:03:47 PM
The RL ranking between such titles has never really mattered in the efu setting.
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Post by: BrittanyPanthas on November 12, 2009, 08:16:40 PM
The real equivalent of the Count's power would be 'Prince' or 'King'.

He may have a very good IC reason for not taking such a title due to what would be expected of a man claiming either title in the Shrouded Isles.
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Post by: Howlando on November 12, 2009, 09:29:37 PM
Definitely some very ic reasons for this. IC'ly the tradition is that only one who wears the Crown of the Isles may declare themselves king of Ymph, so the Count - in the absence of the crown - simply retains the family title (for now...)

This should be fairly well know ic so do not mind spoiling.

Also - The Count sounds badass.
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Post by: Porkolt on November 12, 2009, 09:38:42 PM
Well, I can see how the Count is -technically- a prince/king. However, to make official appointments that would imply the same officially, even though he's officially not, well, that just doesn't make much sense to me.
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Post by: Dash on November 12, 2009, 09:54:27 PM
He wears the pants.
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Post by: derfo on November 12, 2009, 09:54:40 PM
uh it's a game
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Post by: Porkolt on November 12, 2009, 09:56:59 PM
BUT I WANT FULL IMMERSION DAMMIT
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Post by: Iron Oligarch on November 12, 2009, 10:31:24 PM
By the rules of ennoblement, can the Count endow a ducal title? No, but who will tell the Count "no" (except for the Heralds on mainland Faerun, but given how little interaction there is between the Isles and the mainland, and how undermanned the Heralds are anyway, that won't happen anytime soon)? Realistically, the Count can do (and has done, see Sharboneth's dissolution!) anything he wants by force of arms alone.
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Post by: Canzah on November 12, 2009, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: Howland;153087Also - The Count sounds badass.

This.
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Post by: Caddies on November 12, 2009, 11:12:38 PM
Its a make believe world. In this case Count > Duke. Its not a big deal.
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Post by: Luke Danger on November 13, 2009, 01:52:54 AM
Noble titles vary nation to nation, plane of reality to plane of reality.
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Post by: Drakill Tannan on November 13, 2009, 02:08:38 AM
Emperor sounds even more baddas IMO, and it outranks anything but god.
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Post by: Luke Danger on November 13, 2009, 02:10:12 AM
Except in Japan, where the Emporer was revered like a Living God.

But that's another story :P
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Post by: DeputyCool on November 13, 2009, 05:29:40 AM
Congratulations.

When discussing this change, several DM's brought up this point. I assured them our players could not possibly be so pedantic.

I was wrong. =(

Howland hit the nail on the head, however. It is IC. The Count is actually, in effect, a King. However, he chooses to retain the title of Count. Think of it like this...How badass would someone be if they were offered the title of HIGH PRINCE and they were so cool that they were like "Nah, just call me BILL."
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Post by: 9lives on November 13, 2009, 08:05:59 AM
Are you saying that William Charles is a Prince?
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Post by: Halfbrood on November 13, 2009, 09:12:54 AM
i think the count's title is similar in power to cromwell's lord protector, king in all but name afaik.
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Post by: Dash on November 13, 2009, 09:32:29 AM
I think Count Dracula was a cool Count.
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Post by: DangerousDan on November 13, 2009, 09:49:14 AM
he is like colonel gadaffi. he runs libiya, but is still just a colonel
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Post by: DeputyCool on November 13, 2009, 09:49:18 AM
Count Chocula was better.
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Post by: Halfbrood on November 13, 2009, 09:52:31 AM
i preferred my example
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Post by: Canzah on November 13, 2009, 10:51:36 AM
Dr Acula
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Post by: Thomas_Not_very_wise on November 13, 2009, 12:05:10 PM
Count Canzah.
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Post by: Lulzebub on November 13, 2009, 12:17:16 PM
Just be glad it's not some elf name.
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Post by: Porkolt on November 13, 2009, 01:36:12 PM
Quote from: DangerousDan;153139he is like colonel gadaffi. he runs libiya, but is still just a colonel

Perfect example. Gadaffi's equally silly, especially because the military uniforms he wears look like they come straight out of Red Alert's Soviet army.
 
Wikipedia points out something that would make the Count's position more sensible as well:
 
QuoteWhile at odds with Western military ranking for a colonel to rule a country and serve as Commander-in-Chief of its military, in Gaddafi's own words Libya's society is "ruled by the people", so he needs no more grandiose title or supreme military rank.
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Post by: Kiaring on November 14, 2009, 01:21:33 PM
Okay, major point of contention here.

Gaddafi, being a Colonel and all, has HAWT ASSASSIN FEMALE BODYGUARDS.

When will we see the debut of Zarono's Vixen Squad?


Please reply.
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Post by: Oskar Maxon on November 14, 2009, 05:44:05 PM
Kiaring wants hawt female rubies.
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Post by: derfo on November 14, 2009, 05:52:46 PM
yo kiaring would you fuck count chocula if you were a girl or would you do it anyways now since you're bi or w/e
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Post by: Dr Dragon on November 15, 2009, 05:51:43 AM
Basically he calls himself the Count because it is badass. Id love to see Trenda say "IM A DUKE SO IM BETTER THEN THE COUNT!" He would epically Fail and die.
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Post by: DangerousDan on November 15, 2009, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: derflaro;153255yo kiaring would you fuck count chocula if you were a girl or would you do it anyways now since you're bi or w/e

A valid and interesting question. Piero, what are your thoughts?
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Post by: Box on November 15, 2009, 01:03:55 PM
My advice would be to not point out stuff like this and let the DMs call things whatever they want. Wern8 just gets angry and will DM kill you, even if you are RPing with a bunch of people.


He is very sensitive and you should respect that. :(
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Post by: Canzah on November 15, 2009, 02:27:49 PM
I raise a glass to every DM who felt compelled to lock this thread but decided not to.
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Post by: Dash on November 15, 2009, 02:45:45 PM
It's because they are all eagerly awaiting Kiarings answer
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Post by: Letsplayforfun on November 15, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Damn, this thread's still going on? Congrats for the OP then.
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Post by: Porkolt on November 15, 2009, 04:36:47 PM
Quote from: Canzah;153313I raise a glass to every DM who felt compelled to lock this thread but decided not to.

So do I. I'm very surprised it's still not locked.
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Post by: Halfbrood on November 15, 2009, 04:47:46 PM
I eagerly anticipate the cry fest when it eventually meets its fate.
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Post by: Porkolt on November 15, 2009, 04:54:00 PM
I'll get some salt to put in my eyes.
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Post by: Howlando on November 15, 2009, 10:01:01 PM
Actually I have to admit it would be better if the Rubies were an elite all female group. Can we retcon that in, guys?
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Post by: Mort on November 15, 2009, 10:22:47 PM
Nobody will notice, I'm sure. Like nobody notice the duchy/count fiasco, as well.
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Post by: BrittanyPanthas on November 15, 2009, 10:23:38 PM
We'll conveniently forget so long as you call them 'Zarono's Angels.'
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Post by: Dash on November 15, 2009, 10:41:14 PM
Dibs on Ruby Liu
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Post by: Porkolt on November 15, 2009, 11:01:43 PM
Well, they already all have female voicesets.
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Post by: Pup on November 16, 2009, 07:03:14 AM
<3
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Post by: DeputyCool on November 16, 2009, 08:02:40 AM
Drexiana.
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Post by: Daemonic Daz on November 16, 2009, 01:24:44 PM
Odeius Sedak is actually a bearded woman in drag really. *SPOILERZ*
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Post by: Drakill Tannan on November 16, 2009, 02:54:21 PM
Rawr
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Post by: Decimate_The_Weak on November 16, 2009, 06:43:34 PM
Figured I'd get +1 post.