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Title: Summons: Improved Caster Level?
Post by: BrittanyPanthas on December 22, 2009, 05:52:05 AM
Earlier, after a rather intense PvP match, I was told by multiple people that all summons are summoned at caster level of 0, thus making them incredibly easy to dispel, which explained an oddity during the match.

Given that this makes the improved summoning reagents next to worthless against anything that can dispel, I would suggest one of the following.

1.  Improved Caster Level on the reagents so the summons are not so easily dispelled.(Perhaps even as a perk for those with Spell Focus Conjuration or GSF: Conjuration, if it can't be done for everyone.)
2.  Making it so that the summon must be dispelled directly, rather than the spellcaster, in order to have a chance at dispelling it.
3.  Making the summoning reagents have multiple uses, or so that they only have a small chance of being consumed with the spell.
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Post by: Caddies on December 22, 2009, 06:51:07 AM
You don't summon at Caster Level 0, you summon at your full caster level.

Reagents don't add anything to the chance of it being dispelled or not, as intended.
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Post by: BrittanyPanthas on December 22, 2009, 06:53:22 AM
I meant that they're dispelled as if they are caster level 0 against dispel checks. The caster level is taken into account in the duration, but not against dispels.
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Post by: Decimate_The_Weak on December 22, 2009, 07:38:36 AM
If anything, I think a dispel should be targetted on the creature to dispel it - not the PC.
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Post by: Caddies on December 22, 2009, 08:57:59 AM
Quote from: BrittanyPanthas;157819I meant that they're dispelled as if they are caster level 0 against dispel checks. The caster level is taken into account in the duration, but not against dispels.

I know that, and I am saying that I don't think it works like that at all. Feel free to test though!
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Post by: Box on December 22, 2009, 05:23:18 PM
As far as I know, dispel checks are hardcoded and always use the caster level of the caster or item in question.
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Post by: Box on December 22, 2009, 05:45:25 PM
As far as I know the GetCasterLevel() is hard defined by the game, and any spell you cast is always at the caster level of your class level, or the level determined by the item or scroll you used.

While it is possible to modify dispel DCs, as far as I know it is impossible to change the base caster level (For dispel check purposes) at which a PC casts a spell.
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Post by: Gippy on December 22, 2009, 09:35:30 PM
lol. Someone is a bit sore.
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Post by: BrittanyPanthas on December 22, 2009, 10:47:52 PM
Sure am! I didn't even get to see what that summon did!
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Post by: Mort on December 23, 2009, 01:40:27 AM
From personal experience, I dont buy that rumour at all.
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Post by: lovethesuit on December 23, 2009, 03:13:54 AM
Black Abishai pwned
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Post by: Nufferz on December 23, 2009, 04:08:37 AM
I feel your pain alyss, Daxton had his summon from the sinister enclave dispelled against kazkiir. It was HUUUGE.
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Post by: ScruffyMcSmirkalot on December 23, 2009, 07:21:37 AM
Obviously their size is compensating for their innate caster level ...
 
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Damn you Sternhund. Damn you!
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Post by: athousandyearsofpain on December 23, 2009, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Nufferz;157925I feel your pain alyss, Daxton had his summon from the sinister enclave dispelled against kazkiir. It was HUUUGE.


I don't even remember you using any summons =/
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Post by: Nufferz on December 23, 2009, 08:16:21 PM
you literally hit me with a full dispel after I clicked summon, it came and went in an instant
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