This isn't a complaint but a suggestion on how consumables are handed out -when- DMs do hand them out to groups. At this time it's typical that a large cache of random potions is found and collected as a whole which can lead to 100+ potions being divided for a large group.
In the past I've seen this handled in a far easier and much more efficient manner without hassle. The DMs in these cases handed players boxes or bags of supplies that were more even and suited towards whatever type of character they were using. I know that some of these already exist but I'd like to suggest that a few different variants be made and that the DMs use them rather than the random assortment of countless vials that inevitably leads to errors or people missing out on a lot of things.
While this doesn't need to be the preferred method at all times I think that a little time in the toolset would make that task both easier on the DMs and more convenient and hassle-free for the players.
Great idea this would save a lot of time and would make things a lot easier to fairly distribute. Please strongly consider this suggestion.
Probably a good idea. Potions do tend to get lost a lot.
Many times certain chars do much more than others in DM quests. Sometimes it's frontliners, sometimes it's not. I would -ALWAYS- prefer that what is found is distributed IC. If your char is going to get a special item from the DMs, you will get it. I assure you. They do not take the time to design an item for you just to let someone else claim it.
More on-topic. Figure out the potion distribution IC. As I said, some use more resources than others.
Regarding some using more resources than others, you could just have Large Potion Box, Medium Potion Box, Small Potion Box or something similar, each with differing amounts of potions -- this is pretty much the same as figuring out who gets the most/strongest potions out of what was found. Stronger potions could still just be dropped (sludge drinks, Heal, sips, etc) and sorted out IC. This seems like a sweet idea, though.
Quote from: Pup;169550Many times certain chars do much more than others in DM quests. Sometimes it's frontliners, sometimes it's not. I would -ALWAYS- prefer that what is found is distributed IC. If your char is going to get a special item from the DMs, you will get it. I assure you. They do not take the time to design an item for you just to let someone else claim it.
I'm usually the person using the most consumables or close to it. As has been suggested before smaller potion cache's could also be given out! I'd still like to give somebody else who used almost or about the same amount as me the same amount of potions without taking an hour to count out and carefully distribute them
Quote from: Pup;169551More on-topic. Figure out the potion distribution IC. As I said, some use more resources than others.
As stated there could be a few different options of bags / boxes to be divided out. I'd also say that a lot of the lost or missing potions in these cases aren't being taken ICly, but by OOC mistake or something else.
It also seems like someone could make these in the same amount of time they currently spend on setting out the stuff for one event and then they would be around for ease of use and at least be an option. I don't believe that everyone should get some static amount of stuff every time either but with a little more time investment and a few different kits being made I think it could work very well.
It's easier for DMs to just dump it and let you guys sort it out.
I guess stuff like this is bound to happen when potions are distributed like that. Sometimes its intentional, sometimes not as potions easily get mixed up with your own. But if a huge amount of potion drops and only a few is getting distributed I guess you would notice IC if someone suddenly had a HUGE amount of potions in their bag compared to before.
Should really be up to the player who tries to keep it to make an emote or something, and if not its easy enough for a DM to do something IC that would make people aware that someone is probably holding back on a lot of the good stuff.
Who used more shouldn't always be the reason they get more reward. Sometimes certain PC just may not have them to use in the first place so they use what they have more sparingly. It also doesn't mean they didn't do their share of whatever it is they do. A 5th level fighter that didn't kill as many compared to the 6th or 7th level fighters in the group shouldn't be punished for not killing as many as the higher level PC's. In all reality they (the higher level PCs) should be expected to be able to kill more.
Not that I really care, I personally don't drink them like water anyway. But it is frustrating when I go into a quest with like 5 blurs, comes out with 1 or 2 and then the higher level fighter says I use 2 blurs I should get these and snatches the only two blurs gained from the quest. [shrugs, w/e]
That's an IC issue and not an OOC issue.
oh ffs, I was making a comment about the OP and DM loot being handed out and trying to make a point, not complaining OOC. Frankly I could care less about potions as I tend to use character build over buffs anyway.
Just because somebody uses more potions in an event doesn't mean they deserve more reward. It should be based on the PC's level and what he had available to use throughout the event. What's the point in letting the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and unbalancing things even worse so next time the same thing happens. Give the PC's that have little more and next time maybe they'll do as well or better than those that already have/had plenty of potions.
Think about game mechanics XP... Who gets more, the 5th level PC or the 6th for killing and completing the quest? The lower level. Why you ask... Because that PC had to work harder to stay alive and should be rewarded better for his effort.
see... Look here (//%22http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20encountercalculator.htm%22) and see how it's suppose to work.
Lol yes the level 2 who watched the level 15's kill the dragon deserves some epic level loot. RIPnogarD for DM imo.
Quote from: TheImpossibleDream;169616Lol yes the level 2 who watched the level 15's kill the dragon deserves some epic level loot. RIPnogarD for DM imo.
Give it a rest TID. You're only showing your ignorance to a post that's meant to be constructive.
I am strongly in support of this. It is so much easier to handle loot and fairer. You can also just clone the boxes over and over -- which is way easier then dealing with spawning potions.
I agree, it's much more satisfying and easily handled on both sides, it seems.
who gets the sludge potion? or the tensers? wait, why would there ever BE a tensers pot
The original idea here is fine and does not deserve half of the crap that is being spewed in this thread.
The forums are getting nasty and I'm getting tired of it. Chill people, this is just a game.
Quote from: TheImpossibleDream;169616Lol yes the level 2 who watched the level 15's kill the dragon deserves some epic level loot. RIPnogarD for DM imo.
That's exagerating. I agree with RIP that all PCs should be rewarded the same, as long as they were trying their best.
Remember guys - These boxes or bags of supplies can be very generic and handle the bulk of what's given out in the situations where supplies are the majority. Anything special (Void sips, Stoneskin potions, Accuracy potions, and the other rare things) can be delivered as normal or even in some sort of super-box of supplies.
Also, I'm not sure how it's worked from the DM client at the moment but giving an NPC a box of the good supplies before fighting players might make things a little more simple for DMs in those situations too.
Quote from: Gippy;169622I am strongly in support of this. It is so much easier to handle loot and fairer. You can also just clone the boxes over and over -- which is way easier then dealing with spawning potions.
That does sound much simpler.
Some DMs may prefer to do this (fairly easily done, make a bag, put whatever potions in, save your avatar) but personally I like giving potion rewards on the fly, specifically tailoring it to the difficulty. And as for the distribution? That is an IC matter entirely. If you suspect someone is stealing, search them, beat them down, slander their name or report them to authorities to stand trial, etc.
Quote from: Caddies;169729And as for the distribution? That is an IC matter entirely. If you suspect someone is stealing, search them, beat them down...
+1
I support this idea. Personaly I hate the big hassle after a big event where people have to devide the loot. Often everyone comes out bad since everyone (including the lvl 2 wizard in the back who heroicly fired his crossbow) wants a pice of the cake (And who is to blaim them reall`?) I belive Talir has been doing something like this for a bit.
Woah, woah now! Crossbow firing is serious business, Disco_Spoon! :P
I once played a high-INT wizard that was told to collect the gold and potions. We needed to flee the area and couldn't split the loot right there. So we reach the Sanctuary gates and folks need to start leaving, or decide to check out the latest sending, etc... I go about my business... and suddenly remember that I have enough potions and gold for six people and half of them have logged off. My character certainly wouldn't have forgotten! Sadly, I don't have 18 INT IRL.
Take from this what you will.
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