I know for years #EFU has been a place to joke with your friends and keep in touch with other players. Yet it gets out of hand there alot. People are saying really crazy things lately and it not only might turn off new players but old players too. Often I see black jokes, Pope jokes, jokes about women, and alot of cussing. Sure that might be funny to you but I bet it's not so funny to everyone else.
Howland even made a post about it but it seems people would rather just make a big joke about keeping #EFU clean. Kids play here too you know. Seriously guys, have a bit of respect for others.
Howland already made a post about it. No need for this one.
It was happening today and last night so maybe it is needed?
Maybe that discussion about illithd tentacle pron was uncalled for...
This post makes it sound like we are all religion bashing, foul mouthed misogynistic racists. This is not so.
Sure, sometimes things get a little out of hand, but this is the internet after all.
After I came back to efu:a from a little break that lasted over the ending of underdark edition, I have not really wanted to look at the irc channel for anything else but sendings. That's how much 'sometimes' I see things getting out of hand.
At times I throw few words in, but mostly I just roll my eyes and throw irc on the background, checking for sendings alone. There's bloody lot to improve.
I can't say I really pay attention to the channel most of the time. But send me logs and I will cheerfully ban anyone who doesn't respect my wishes about keeping #efu as a place I don't need to be ashamed to be associated with.
Let me be the one to voice my opinion then. For the record, I will not respond to any argument this might trigger. This is simply my opinion and nothing's gonna change that. Again, that doesn't mean I won't respect the wishes if the DM team insists.
This is the internet. If pornography, racism, religion-bashing and whatnot, even combined together, haven't reached our 7 year old kids yet who get spammed in their Inbox every day, something's wrong. What I see here is a channel in which people come to relax. We all relax in different ways. Yes, I like to ask Requiem in my white suburban wanna-be ghetto slang what it takes to be black. Because really, black folks are cool. I see people hating on the Christian Church, and I am sitting behind my monitor with a wide grin on my face. That, folks, is my relaxation and for certainly-not-a-minority of folks in IRC, for them as well. That doesn't mean we all spew out tons of crap every second. That doesn't mean we're racist, incestious pedophiles who want to watch the world burn. That means we don't take it all seriously. Because for me, personally, that is exactly what is wrong with this world. People taking everyting seriously. This is my escape hatch. This is where I come to chill.
So to summarize it all:
It's the internet. Haters gonna hate.
This.
Quote from: ColdburnBecause for me, personally, that is exactly what is wrong with this world. People taking everyting seriously. This is my escape hatch. This is where I come to chill.
Though of course there's common sense for stepping over the line. No one in IRC is actively trying to bully/make someone feel bad, or at least that's how it should be.
Gators gonna gait.
Coldburn, everything you've said is 100% accurate. But it's also limited to you. If you want to form a #Coldburn, and invite as many people as you like, we are certainly not going to stop you. But the fact remains that as the DM Staff of Escaped From The Underdark: Archipelago, we have a specific duty to the Server that can manifest itself as a form of PR Control. #EFU -is- an extension of EFU:A, and therefor it is a public face for the server.
It is our desire to keep this face as clean as possible. Whether or not it is your escape hatch is irrelevent in maintaining the rules that the Admin Team sets forth for it's use. Registering a channel is not at all difficult, and I am more than willing to show anyone who does not know how, how to do it. But, the old "Our House, Our Rules" addage sort of applies here: #EFU is under the same jurisdiction as EFU the Server, and the EFU DM Team Rules for IRC Use ask that #EFU please be kept clean. This will be more strictly enforced, I suspect, given the number of complaints we've begun to recieve.
This doesn't mean you can't curse, or tell jokes, even off color ones. What it does mean is that we do not want #EFU to be a place that people feel they can't be in without being subject to something offensive. Really, it's pretty much common sense. Don't sit around calling everyone a faggot, or insulting other people for any reason, at all. Keep the cursing to a minimum, and try not to troll too intensely. Believe it or not, new players do enter into IRC looking to speak to the admins.
I agree. IRC has defenatly changed over the years. the cursing and trolling has gotten worse.
Bear in mind ... me personally, I'm very hard to offend. I can take most things in stride, and laugh probably even when I shouldn't.
BUT ... if you think that the hijinks in IRC doesn't cause issues:
Quote from: PureeOfPelican;181253I'm leaving permanently. The most recent discussion on IRC has convinced me that I don't have a place here, as it seems that I don't fit the mold. Best of luck to everyone.
That pretty much says it all.
:(
I'm around more than Howland and a much faster banner.
Whilst this is the internet and such taboo topics will constantly rise, I suggest just cracking down on the trolls. Hells, if we're having a mature discussion over our favourite ex-man of the cloth turned scat porn director, we shouldn't be forced to stop talking over it.
As long as we're all being mature and serious enough about it that is.
I'm guilty of it. I like a good troll probably as much as anyone here, but I like having new players even more.
When I find a new player, I do my damnest to make sure they know how to do the things they want to do in EfU:A. I put a lot of time and energy into shepherding new PCs, and I know that other players do too. There have been at least two of my recruits who, after being told the best way to contact a DM, took one look at that channel and didn't even bother to say "goodbye."
In my opinion, it's not the children you need to worry about. It's the adults who get most turned off by the shenanigans in there. That's what convinced me to just knock it off.
If you enjoy trolling, there is always Fark.com.
[nods to Lulzebub] ayup. It's been my experience that it's the adults that get turned off and irritated, and the "kids" that are creating the most havoc.
#efugross is now the official #efu troll smut trash channel.
Make it happen.
I doubt this will be met with anything but overwhelming disagreement, but:
To be honest I do not think people should really be faulted for having fun and chatting in a public chat room.
I know new players should really be given a good impression. Welcoming them and shaping up should be a given. Forcing everyone to act like drones is going to just rid one problem while creating another.
While there are limits like absurdly overwhelming spam, or behavior that is just completely disruptive and malicious beyond a shadow of a doubt, if people are getting 'irritated' and 'turned off,' then it should fall to them to not look at what bothers them. I can definitely understand that though really it is seldom.
If I see or hear something in real life, I turn my head or walk away and I do not see/hear it anymore.
It is even easier to skip over single offending lines in an online chat room and move on instead of crying and taking it too seriously, with all due respect, though naturally I will understand and accept reasonable DM wishes and intentions.
I agree with people who have said that this is the internet, that people who get offended should grow a thicker hide, and that we're all trying to blow off steam.
This is not what this is about, though.
People who leave because of IRC did not do so because they were offended. In my opinion, it usually boils down to people being frustrated over a server that bills itself as a place for mature roleplay and superior storytelling being populated by such wanton trolls and flamers. We're all guilty of it to some extent.
The second a new player gets turned away because of IRC, we're doing something wrong.
Quote from: Lulzebub;181266it's not the children you need to worry about. It's the adults who get most turned off by the shenanigans in there.
^ what he said ^
I'm 47 and just plain don't get half of "the shenanigans". I've been told it's because of my age, so I try to take it all with a grain of salt and just use IRC as a tool for the game. I mostly (
not all the time; I still beat a few with the dead trout now and again ;)) just look for game related topics and ignore the rest.
We are not going to perma-ban people for swearing occasionally. Just keep in mind that we're not /b/.
I have to agree with Kiaring.
The problem isn't the offensiveness, it's that this is an incredibly mature server in-game, but IRC sends a very different signal. People looking for a mature server who stop by IRC may be duped into thinking the server itself is immature.
I'll gladly give up a little IRC freedom for more players in-game.
I agree with the basics of what Plum has said, as well as many others in this thread also. Next time you decide to go off about cussing specifically though Plum? Maybe you should edit your forum autosignature, brother. lmao.
hehe yes perhaps, i forgot it was there actually :)
12hatch, your forum picture scares the shit out of me.
Kairing, Cerberus, and Lulzebub accurately summed up my own opinions.
I've had the pleasure of interacting with every person in the main IRC room in one way or another. I know from experience that the people there are good players, are great additions to our server, and are capable of raising the bar on their behavior - they prove it every time they log onto our server. There is no reason that good behavior in game should not also translate into good behavior in the IRC channel.
I am supportive of this move by Howland and the other DM's. As a player who is probably slightly older than the majority of players on the server, I don't generally find the frat house / high school humor to be funny. It doesn't bother me per-say, but it is a major reason I don't pay attention to what takes place in the main IRC room.
If we are losing players because of the behavior there, we need to re-evaluate what is taking place. It is not about people growing a thicker skin. It's about creating an OOC atmosphere that compliments our IG atmosphere, which is why I know everyone in the main channel is capable of raising the bar.
Yeah you guys. Grow up. :rolleyes:
Well maybe the Pope shouldn't defend pedophiles Putrid Plum.
I think that people should grow thicker skins; if you are genuinely being offended massively by some scrawny acne-ridden geek on the other side of the world saying dumb things to you in a chatroom, that's on you. Take it with a grain of salt and dish something better back up, IMO.
That said; #EFU is the public extension of EFU:A and a place which new players (the most PRECIOUS commodity going around nowadays) are like to frequent, and so we would like to keep it clean. I know that might be hyopcritical of me, but its time we all put more effort into playing nice in #EFU from now on. If someone wants to start another, private channel where all the trolls battle each other, I would happily join it and decimate you for my own personal satisfaction.
So, let's keep EFU clean. This isn't a request, either. We don't want to ban but will, so just be aware.
Quote from: Kotenku;181277#efugross is now the official #efu troll smut trash channel.
Make it happen.
wtf guys there were like ten of you in there earlier. just set that shit to always be open and when you wanna troll somebody put it in there.
Why start a troll channel when we can start a troll server.
Yeah. Every app to play a troll, right now. This is what the people want.
Just create your own private channel if you want to talk shit or something rather than doing it in #efu just because it causees less trouble and that was probably mentioned before in this thread but i dont know and i am too lazy to read through it so if it is said again w/e i am going to say it again and try to feel important and stuff etc