My opinion on IRC:
This doesn't have anything (I was just as wrong as anyone else imo) to do with my discussion today. I just feel like IRC has become a place that detracts from EfU in general. This isn't aimed at 'trolling' or 'loitering' or anything - I just feel that for it to be (at least for me) a valid communication tool, it needs to be used only when necessary - IE, to contact DMs/players about specific IC events. Other than that it just becomes generally distracting and frustrating. I feel like no one (myself included) is fully able to prevent IC stuff from bleeding into IRC; I also feel like people could get more involved with the game, if they have the free time (again, not pointing any fingers, this is a matter for each of us to meditate upon silently and privately - and it is not meant as an oblique reference to the high number of people who loiter on IRC but obviously can't/don't want to play EfU right now) and less involved with IRC.
My opinion, feel free to disagree; I'm not interested in a debate though.
If you don't want to see people chatting in IRC then either don't use it, learn to ignore people, or create your own channel.
I think Kiaring's point was that it destracts away from EFU, the game. Everyday I see more people dribbling useless shit in #efu than I see PCs online. I remember when people only really talked in IRC when they weren't playing their PCs; now its people play their PCs when they don't talk in IRC. Have a guess at which was actually a better situation.
Well, I'm sure there are reasons for such things but whatever. It's IRC, people use it to chat. If they don't have time or don't feel like playing it really shouldn't matter.
Quote from: Caddies;182037I think Kiaring's point was that it destracts away from EFU, the game. Everyday I see more people dribbling useless shit in #efu than I see PCs online. I remember when people only really talked in IRC when they weren't playing their PCs; now its people play their PCs when they don't talk in IRC. Have a guess at which was actually a better situation.
Excuse me... What?
Let's ban chatting and only allow EFU related questions. Then we don't have to listen to any more useless shit drivel from scum and people will login to game more often to a more pure and undistracted experience. Problem solved.
I thought people enjoyed my idle chatter in IRC?
IDK, Talking about other stuff gives a sense of community instead of "Just a bunch of strangers you game with"
I've only been around for about 3 years now, but IRC has always been pretty much what it is.
There are days it gets to be to much and I just walk away, then there are days that I look forward to the useless dribble. *shrugs*
It is what it is.
'Banning' chatter in IRC would be pointless; people would just set up another IRC channel for chatting about EFU, likely not moderated by the DM team. A worse state of affairs, IMO.
I can kind of understand Kiarings point of view. Many a time the server has had like, 5 people online whereas a good dozen or so are chatting away on IRC.
However, this is the internet. We're free to do what we want. Yes, its hard to find good RP when people would rather idle the chatroom for trolling/arguing/baiting DRD, but we can't stop that as its human nature.
If anything, the problem is with either the server or the individual for not being on the server.
http://www.escapefromunderdark.com/old_forums/viewtopic.php?t=5584
It is true people chat a lot but people may be doing other things. Take for example yesterday I was on the toolset and talking irc, sometimes i just don't have time to finish anything if i log in.
If people rather chat on IRC than log into EfU, I think it says more about their interest in their character than IRC.
if you don't feel like playing on efu instead of talking then obviously you have a huge problem
I do? :(
ofc
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It's only fair opinion. It's true, that a lot of that game talk, opinions of Ic situations and such could be taken into the game rather than go through it at irc. No harm in throwing the actual observation here and suggesting people to take it in game rather than go over it at irc.
Nah Paha, suggesting things and saying something that is clearly true or bothering you can only be answered by rude flaming. Welcome to what EFU has become.
Also I too find it a bit funny how some people have no time to play EFU but can chat on IRC for hours and hours. Or the great amount of people who talk about in-game things on IRC basicly ruining the shock other peoples PCs might have learning about it the right way and discussing things like summoning themes and what does what, etc..
I agree with Caddies, I know it's scarey for me too... but really it's so true.
"I remember when people only really talked in IRC when they weren't playing their PCs; now its people play their PCs when they don't talk in IRC."
I don't enjoy the IRC drivel.
I don't get on IRC.
TA-DA!
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Only downside to this is after a year-plus of playing here.... I know very few players and DMs and getting involved in plots is difficult (NOT IMPOSSIBLE), as IRC is a key ingredient in becoming involved and getting to know people.
IRC has very little to do with getting into plots. That's all IC stuff.
As a player i seldom ever came to IRC, it was more putting me off than anything. As a DM i log in and answer/ask EfU related stuff only.
Yet you can't blame/ban people for using IRC for idle chat, casual trolling or whatnot. It's part of the social life of any (youth oriented) community.
People have be warned already not to pushing the limits of trolling on this EfU channel though.
On a side note, if people choose to IRC rather than play, i'd like to know why, and how we could 'drag them back into the game'.
But it's probably just lack of time to get something started and finished, or people at work/school who need to be able to disconnect as soon as boss/teacher comes to have a look, i guess...
Some people, me included, just don't have interest in EfU anymore. Interests come and go. Those who won't play may or may not change their minds. Dragging them back to the game seems more forced than anything. It's just entertaining talking to the community, the people you have played with for years. I have played on some other servers without IRC, and it was difficult to feel any sorts of attachment because the only way to talk to people was through tells send once in a while. I think a large part of why EfU lasted so long is because there is more to it than just interacting in game.
Reminiscing about fun events, moments, characters is quite enjoyable.
#efu should be about that. Perhaps being less critical of other characters (guilty as charged!) and just finding at least one positive aspect to them as an effort to stray away from trolling, angst, who wins, etc.
Help for character development. How to use the information you can collect from novels, movies, real life and incorporate it into your character so they dont become cliché, but feel unique and well thought out.
Less convos on mechanics of AC, AB... etc. When I started, I think DMs (crosswind, thrawn?) banned these kinds of convos in the channel. Kinda useful in redirecting the conversation unto something more interesting and less superficial. We dont want to appear as an Antiworld team fortress server after all.
Also, it's clear that the community is a major part of the gameworld. People are sad when someone leaves... happy when an oldbie returns. So IRC does have this appeal of keeping in touch with others.
I do not want to curb freedoms.
I am aware I can just leave IRC if I want. This is what I have done.
My point is simple: To me, IRC is an accessory to the gameworld, and it has been sort of taking the foreground due to a number of reasons. Leaving it and using it only when strictly necessary is probably a better idea.
Setting up a channel that isn't EfU related, even if it is filled with people you met through EfU, is an elegant solution.
Finding people who are not on IRC is not that easy. I think I'll stay logged on; if you want to chat, /msg Kiaring.
/msg kiaring coward