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Title: EFU Census
Post by: Dr Dragon on July 19, 2011, 08:35:55 AM
I am doing an official Census to see the gender of the players of this server. A discussion on IRC inspired me to do this. Just answer the survey you need not reveal who you are.
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Post by: Valo56 on July 19, 2011, 09:48:54 AM
INVASION OF PRIVACY! >.<

But seriously.. once you put transgender and 'confused' in there.. no one's going to take this seriously (evident by there apparently being 4 and 3 of them, respectively). Not that this was likely serious at all, anyway. :P
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Post by: Elytherin Dragonius on July 19, 2011, 09:54:36 AM
dear god! your really not gonna let this one go are you? *shakes head in bewilderment*
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Post by: Caster13 on July 19, 2011, 11:57:03 AM
If Caddies had nothing good to say about the ESA survey I can't wait to see what he says about this.
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Post by: PlayaCharacter on July 19, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
Everyone knows there are no girls on the internet.
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Post by: 9lives on July 19, 2011, 02:49:53 PM
where my trannies at
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Post by: 404 on July 19, 2011, 05:04:48 PM
Quote from: Valo56;251123INVASION OF PRIVACY! >.<

But seriously.. once you put transgender and 'confused' in there.. no one's going to take this seriously (evident by there apparently being 4 and 3 of them, respectively). Not that this was likely serious at all, anyway. :P

yeah, now we have 3 great answers to pick from instead of 1
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Post by: Underbard on July 20, 2011, 02:27:56 AM
Seriously?
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Post by: Relinquish on July 20, 2011, 03:02:26 AM
Doctor Dragon, Official Chief of Genitalia Counting
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Post by: chezcaliente on July 20, 2011, 04:04:31 AM
I realise this poll is not particularly serious, but for anyone who actually cares...

A more accurate way to poll for this information is by being more specific about whether you are speaking on sex [biological], or gender [social identity].

The prior is best represented by Male, Female, Transsexual and Intersex as options.

The latter is best represented succinctly by Man, Woman, Transgender and Other [free text field]. You could expand these options dramatically depending on the type of data set you are polling.

If you are not sure what all of these terms mean, how they differ, and why you might use them; here's a great policy document regarding it:
http://www.wagenderproject.org/resources/CreatingGLBTQIAForms.pdf
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Post by: Kinslayer988 on July 20, 2011, 04:24:26 AM
I wish to avoid this conversation altogether.
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Post by: petey512 on July 20, 2011, 04:48:02 AM
Too many dicks on the dancefloor.
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Post by: Wild Card on August 02, 2011, 08:19:43 AM
What's next Dr Dragon? A what's your sexual orientation poll? lol
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Post by: Thou tun'st this World on August 02, 2011, 04:49:00 PM
This poll is creepy and I wish I'd never seen it.
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Post by: Drakill Tannan on August 02, 2011, 05:11:11 PM
What i don't understand is what the "confused" option is for.. either you got a penis, a vagina or you had either and changed it through surgert. Male, female and trasgreder cover thouse. What's "Confused" for?
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Post by: xXCrystal_Rose on August 02, 2011, 06:23:17 PM
People whom are still inbetween and have not come to terms with who they are as a person or their self identity yet.
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Post by: chezcaliente on August 03, 2011, 02:25:02 AM
Quote from: Drakill Tannan;253300What i don't understand is what the "confused" option is for.. either you got a penis, a vagina or you had either and changed it through surgert. Male, female and trasgreder cover thouse. What's "Confused" for?

Since I studied some of this stuff at uni, let me share:

1) Sex and gender are not the same thing from an academic perspective. Sex is biological (chromosomes, genitalia, hormones), gender is social role and is culturally specific (interacting with society as a woman or a man or something else).

2) From a biological perspective: There is such a thing as intersex, and it is a biological state where not all sex determinants are concordant or are ambiguous. Eg. Male chromosomes with female genitalia, or indeterminate genitalia at birth. Various intersexed conditions affect roughly 1% of the population.

3) Transgender usually relates to social performance of gender. This is more to do with self-identification than with biology. Someone who is biologically female but lives and identifies as a man might consider themselves transgender. Then again, they might just identify as a man.

4) Transsexual usually relates to someone who has undergone or is undergoing biological sex reassignment through surgery and/or hormone therapy.

5) Some non-Western societies already have a third gender that some people are either born into because they are intersexed, or because they grow up identifying as them. The Hijra of subcontinental Asia are a good example of this.

I realise this is all very academic for about 95% of the population. But it is quite important to recognise and value people's identities if you believe in any kind of positive humanist freedom of identification.