As a bard, which is wilderness based, it is exceedingly hard to get a hold of any bard songs except the ones that drop and ones we must pay to have scribed and such.
I would verily like a random bard song granter in the wilds!
Definately worth adding. Perhaps have a storyteller in gsaeric's camp?
One of the disadvantages of refusing to go to Mistlocke.
Quote from: NonExpecto;252302One of the disadvantages of refusing to go to Mistlocke.
<.< Or unable to go to mistlocke as I play a monstrous race?
Yeah.
Then it's one of the disadvantages of playing a monstrous race.
You know they're supposed to be at a disadvantage, right?
Tentacles need love too.
On a serious note it wouldn't be a terrible idea I think for a storyteller out in the wilds to have magic song scrolls. Until then you could always get another wilds character to be your middle man.
Quote from: NonExpecto;252310Yeah.
Then it's one of the disadvantages of playing a monstrous race.
You know they're supposed to be at a disadvantage, right?
Precisely, but something as unique and flavorful as bard songs shouldn't necessarily be denied to them!
Since when are Stargazers considered a monstrous race? >_>
Thomas ate a baby, so now stargazers are monsters you see...
Quote from: Knight Of Pentacles;252323Since when are Stargazers considered a monstrous race? >_>
Don't derail the thread.
You as well Tannan.
Make a friend to get them for you? IC way around it.
I find that considerably annoying to get someone to go to town for it as well as inefficient.
Quote from: Kinslayer988;252362I find that considerably annoying to get someone to go to town for it as well as inefficient.
I find it considerably annoying that I have to earn my levels/gear/loot and think its inconvenient.
Stargazers have inhabited the Archipelago longer than the netherese and have an immensely rich Oral Tradition. It makes 100% IC sense for them to have a Skald that hands our stories/songs for Bards to use.
If a DM says no, its probably due to some issue that prevents it.
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Quote from: Spiffy Has;252365Stargazers have inhabited the Archipelago longer than the netherese and have an immensely rich Oral Tradition. It makes 100% IC sense for them to have a Skald that hands our stories/songs for Bards to use.
This. It is the fact that there is an extant oral tradition in the Stargazer society at large that would make this suggestion logical.
What makes it illogical though is that the current random song giver hands out songs from the Underdark, with the IC reason that she is from the Underdark. This would require new songs or to hand out a different custom selection, in order to make sense.
I don't know that a lot of the songs would make sense for nature PCs to acquire from one of their own NPCs, frankly. Maddox's Ode to Sembian Rum, the Gnomish Party Tune that shoots up illusory fireworks, the song that's boosts engineering skills...a lot of these seem rather out of place to me in a savage setting. I actually feel the same way about some of the more "native" oriented songs being used by civilized bards, such as the Ymphian Jungle Hymn, which I don't use with Abigail since it's not a style of music she'd be performing.
I really don't think a focus on collecting all the songs does justice to a bard if you're trying to keep with a concept. It shouldn't be about having as many as you can, or about maximizing mechanical efficiency at every possible moment by having all the best songs. But that's just one player's opinion.
I agree with the above post, and it does bring up a point that I did not think about. Although I think it would make sense for a storyteller in the wilds, the selection of songs should also be theme appropriate. I also only use a select number of songs (3) because the rest just do not fit my character concept.
Obviously a bard would not use songs that were useless to him or against his concept. Unless a dm would want to remove songs that couldn't conceivably called nature oriented, I don't think there is much we can do. <.<
I first thought this suggestion was about adding a random encounter where you meet a Stargazer/Tribal/Traveling Minstrel willing to share their work.
Either way, I'd be for it!
A wilds storyteller indeed. It would provide the more natural songs like. A few examples:
Drum of the Hunt: Bonus AB, spot/listen/search, movement speed increase
Howl of the Pack (curse song): Does something similar to shadow mastiffs
Sleeping song of the lazy Bear (curse song): Makes foes fall asleep and slows them down.
Rythm of Growth: Your bard song summons a multitude of vines, the vines summoned scale with every 3 levels.
Some of the current songs can definately be given from this too.
I thought it would be fairly obvious which song should definately be readily available to nature pc's, hymn of the Ymphian Jungle anyone? Plenty of city pc's use it and like a stargazer usign the firework song it doesn't make all that much sense. Not everything should be balanced but tribes generally pass along songs throughout generations, I don't see what the negatives are here.
animal totem songs sounds like sick idea to me
tiger = bonus ab, dmg and spot?
frog = curse song that screeches annoying noises?
etc
Stargazer-only songs, each of a totem sounds awsome. Especially if you add a couple for the flayers.
While the idea of Stargazer only songs is utterly and resoundingly AMAZING-
It's off topic.
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