Okay boys, I have an incredibly grand question for you:
*points up* There it was. How is it possible? How do you lend any depth to a completely min/maxed CE half-orc barbarian? How can you make him shine, make him stand out from his brethren, make him funny make him scary make him enjoyable to more people than just yourself? This is an interesting question to me, because I rolled up a basher alt just for the fun of crushing things. However, my main died, and now my alt has to fill his shoes. I don't want him to be the traditional, "Ugg not like you. Ugg now smash. UGG!!" You see? I'm open to any suggestion, no matter how completely outlandish or odd it may be.
Thanks in advance.
He's really just misunderstood, if you take the time to get to know him, you'll find Ugg can be a nice guy too. When he's sleeping.
It would be kinda of a BRUTEY barb that might also brutaly kill or like gore. If EXTREMELY chaotic evil you could make him blood thirsty and people would want to kill you for vampirism.
... I had written a few things, but thought why should I give them to you when I could do them myself.
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AND MOST OF ALL: Stay away fom Uggs, they really are ugly and do make you look fat.
A min max half orc will not have depth.
It would be largely unable to initiate communication with other PCs, nor make decisions of its own beyond the most simple.
Most likely this would lead to walking around drooling, doing whatever anyone tells you to do/not doing a single thing anyone tells you to, taking stupid risks, and perhaps occasionally eating someone.
I would suggest focusing on his goals and his background.
Background: What made him Chaotic and what made him evil. Birth, trauma, his soul?
Goals: You need to achieve them whilst not conforming too much and being ruthless to the point of evil. Does he want to be rich, if he's impatient and stupid he may start mugging people. Does he want power and minions? If so how does he get them?
If you start from there you should be OK imo.
Goals and background are pretty meaningless for a low cha, low wisdom half orc tbh. The best they can hope for is 'lackey', and so you should attach yourself to the most prominent individual you can.
Being forceful of personality and such like is not possible for such a character, and thusly they shouldn't 'dominate' people unless in an animal like fashion.
Just be a good henchman. That's about all.
Good point NC. If low charisma is part of your min-max then lackey would be pretty much all you can get to, whilst playing your stats accurately.
Min - max's, with low Charisma and Wisdom are some of the hardest PC's to play accurately given the massive personal deficency they have in almost all interactions and decision making.
Yes indeed, that is the true problem. Even if the character has goals, they cannot be complex, interesting or all-encompasingly big in any way. Vrogde is ugly, stupid, violent and slightly repressed. So really, I cannot focus on his goals. Perhaps then I must focus on role-playing him perfectly, as the absolute epitome of brutish, moronic violence.
And yes. Uggs are ridiculous.
It'd probably be more fun and interesting to RP a more conventionally built PC!
Playing a Dumb stupid Min Max Half-Orc thug can be really fun. But you should RP your stupidity get fooled easily and stuff. Also dont expect to be a mastermind expect to be a mindless thug that smashes stuff. I played on once a Half-Orc named Timmy he was basically the slave of some gangsters in Lower and he thugged people up!
Quote from: Metro_Pack;101546and perhaps occasionally eating someone.
Change "occasionally" to "all the time" and I think we'll have laughs up the wazoo.
Core:
You are absolutely right. The problem is, I've run out of concepts. I have these amazing ideas that are so incredibly wonderful I just plain cannot contain myself and I roll up the character and then!
Something even more dangerous than the Lagbeast strikes: boredom. No one can escape its clutches. I bloody attacked a posse of three Nightriser Warriors with a level four who had no shield because I could NOT rustle up any action for the life of me! I'm likely (Self-diagnosis) borderline ADD as I cannot stand nothing happening. I've lost girlfriends because I cannot stand silence. It pains me. What is a personality like mine to do? Le sigh...
If you shoot me a message on IRC we can try to work out some interesting goals for your concepts that'll keep you interested. Or you could roll up one of your crazy ass concepts and just go wild. It's all good, as long as you're having fun.
Nuke, describe 'in an animal like fashion' in depth, plz.
I'd imagine that includes 'marking your territory' all over their face.
Quote from: Nuclear Catastrophe;101553The best they can hope for is 'lackey', and so you should attach yourself to the most prominent individual you can.
Why not go ahead and just tell everyone rolling a character like that to be a lackey of a DM faction PC that is doing well, or just being able to be successful as it is about as prominent as it gets? I think there is absolutely nothing added to the experience in attaching to a prominent PC and is no different than doing the same without a min/max half-orc. Going for a PC that would become a more interesting pair if they are around during one's playtimes would be much more interesting. This would probably prevent cases of me thinking "OH WOW IT IS A POWERBUILD LACKEY OF (Insert faction character name)" and probably will prevent other heavily cynical players from thinking so and help hilarity ensue should you choose to aid someone who is going to be completely defendant on your min/maxness (perhaps a PC mistaken for being prominent and is kind of inept and just has shiny things, perhaps?).
Why be a generical lackey when you can be a sidekick?
What the fudge are you wibbling about? :)
I honestly don't think you can play 6 int, 8 wis, 6 cha properly and still have fun AND be enjoyed by others. And to top it off, portraying and being CE.
It's basically 3 points away from a wild animal NPC that sits outside a city and just charges at whatever living thing it spots.
The only way to play a sweet min/max half-orc is the GLORRY GLUMGAR route.
Honestly I wouldn't even bother. You'll be short-lived and will miss out on basically all the best points of EFU, being the depth, plotting and elaborate PC-PC developments.
And from a mechanical standpoint, it seldom pays to be min-maxed. Your Will save will make you a sitting duck, and you'll probably die a shitty death on a quest somewhere or in PvP if you're CE. <_<
Gorry IMO
Gorry was 10 int, 10 wis, 6 cha.
GLUM
GAR
Be like everyone else. Play an angry man with a sword who despises everything and everyone around him and occasionally beats the shit out of someone who doesn't like that.
BUG
Like a PC without a dumpstat.
I made a min max half orc once for the fun of it. i made one sending, and suddenly i found myself surrounded by (a horde of) Dms saying i shouldn't even be doing that, so ye, that kinda pc shouldn't be made at all, i guess.
Or make it a team pc with another player (your "master"), with common background. Although with the random Zig teleporting, i'm not even sure dual pcs can be made...
There are other options like the shipwreck, for PC groups. Or if you wer standing by eachother when the Zig pulled you in, perhaps.
The beauty of NWN and EFUA is your imagination is the limit so long as it fits within the setting/DM interpretaion
I do think this discussion may lead to a negative trend. So, let me state the following and let it be amended by the DMs who seem rather passionate about this issue (bless you, ninelives).
Making half-orcs who are stupid is fine. A high STR, CON, DEX and 8-10 INT, WIS, CHA half-orc would be just swell, so long as you realize the steep limitations in their play. Having 8 INT, 8 WIS, and 6 CHA actually IS a problem because there's almost no way to function as a real being. By taking low INT, be stupid beyond "Tawking likah dis" (i.e. Jar Jar Binks on crack?). By taking low WIS, make poor choices, be rude, make jokes about a powerful PC when they're standing right behind you, etc. Low charisma? Stand in corners, watch people, make creepy noises, be rude to everyone, use vulgar terms, act in an unwittingly selfish manner. You must TRY to make other players not want to play with you. That's the point of low charisma.
I personally don't believe that playing a total min-max half-orc and having a "master" to make all the right choices is a good idea. It seems as if you're just trying to find a loophole to play an overpowered character. Be aware of what you're playing and WHY you want to play them. Being an underling should not mean you sacrifice RP potential in order to do a little bit more damage-- quite the contrary! You already have a buddy, you're already stronger.
All that being said, half-orcs are still a playable race with serious penalties. Play them accordingly and nobody will have a problem.
Back in efu, this was done with goblins quite regularly, and it makes sense ic and mechanics wise, and was great fun. The short version, is what we call the reptilian brain runs things. Base drives motivate you, not social norms, farting, urinating where you please, basically acting like a rabid dog, with a bit less sense, would suit, though I doubt that you would find any on the zigguart would tolerate such, perhaps the more feral cultures would embrace you. I would imagine, you would break laws left and right, mostly because the concept of law would be beyond your grasp. If done properly, you can have a blast with it, but not perhaps in the classic henchmen/master setting, though the gobsquat may tolerate such behaviour. Garem's right thou, if it is just about being a smash bot, maybe try WoW or something..til the urge passes?
NC was the only person I have ever see play 6cha even remotely close to 6cha. Correct me if I'm wrong NC, but I remember you saying it was a rather annoying and trying experience.
Combined with low int/wis, I couldn't ever do it justice. I would want him to succeed as a character too much.
If you check Daelean Red Tiger's stat sheet, he is actually 6 cha or something. So maybe a sullen, withdrawn, and kind of seemingly low worth would be a representation of low cha and average or higher int. So a low int one would be a sullen, withdrawn, and kind of low worth retard. Maybe the half-orc min-max should sulk in a corner instead of going "ME BASH YOU NOW IN FACE" in public, considering that the fact that they have lived to a certain age that they have avoided such behavior and not be burned at the stake.
*picks a booger and rolls it round his fingers*
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Or make it a team pc with another player (your "master"), with common background. Although with the random Zig teleporting, i'm not even sure dual pcs can be made...// (quote)
I'm pretty sure two related people could get teleported to the ziggurat at once.. maybe?
I hope so because I did that with this other guy once.
Quote from: Garem;101803I personally don't believe that playing a total min-max half-orc and having a "master" to make all the right choices is a good idea. It seems as if you're just trying to find a loophole to play an overpowered character.
Garem is touching on a really good point too. We can tell the difference between making a powergamed duo with a flaky "master-servant" relationship to try to justify it and a truly interesting set of characters with a complex, dynamic story and relationship.
Wild animals cannot be servants or be lackeys.
The only 6 charisma character I have ever played was a Duergar merchant by the name of Chk.
A soldier by force, merchant by choice, Chk was deathly afraid of a large crowd after witnessing his family herded into a crowd and seeing people being trampled while seeking exits.
Also, he was a total dick to customers, and hated generally everyone who wasn't him.
A few tips to help, maybe, how to explain Low Charisma skittishness.
Quote from: Random_White_Guy;101865A few tips to help, maybe, how to explain Low Charisma skittishness.
Act like Kotenku IRL.
Yeah, a char like this, if played right, will most likely be killed pretty quick. I just don't see a way around it. Even if you became a lackey of a server-badass, you would have to at some point be put down.
QuoteI personally don't believe that playing a total min-max half-orc and having a "master" to make all the right choices is a good idea. It seems as if you're just trying to find a loophole to play an overpowered character.
*Rainier Wolfcastle voice* That's the joke.
Seriously though, min int/wis/cha isn't even able to function as a servant. They more likely either A)Do everything everyone tells them to, blindly or B) Do nothing that anyone tells them to, ever - let alone function in -any- manner of interpersonal dynamic.
A character like this (if played properly) would most likely be interesting and enjoyable for the first day of play, then when you realise you're missing out on everything that EfU is about, it'll make you want to cry and curse the day you tried to find an interesting concept in a blob of muscle, scars and social retardation.
when i am chaotik evil i think of the fury of the dinosaurs (not t-rex that is really generic) and pretend i am a dinosaur in real life to embody it into my character better. in essence my character becomes a ruthless robot dinosaur aka ce
IMO, a completely min-maxed CE half orc would crap while walking down the street, and if you raise his int by 1, he would stoop down to do it, the grab a nearby halfling to wipe with.
Might be somewhat funny to see once but would get boring very soon.