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Title: Free Finesse for rogues
Post by: Walrus Warwagon on August 21, 2021, 04:49:35 PM
See the topic. Not my idea, but it was widely discussed in the discord today. Figured it should be in the suggestions.
Title: Re: Free Finesse for rogues
Post by: SamB123 on August 22, 2021, 05:17:31 AM
No, this shouldn't be a thing, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Free Finesse for rogues
Post by: Les Abysses on August 22, 2021, 05:46:39 AM
EFU tends to have a lot of strength and full plate pure rogues which are strange to me, I'd love to see either:

a) A class feature that requires being Pure
    or
b) A 4/6 perk that just gives you Weapon Finesse
Title: Re: Free Finesse for rogues
Post by: Random_White_Guy on August 22, 2021, 07:26:36 AM
I'd like to see it as more of a 6 pure rogue levels = Weapon Finesse, yeah. Like the Evasion restriction etc.
Title: Re: Free Finesse for rogues
Post by: SanTelmo on August 22, 2021, 09:33:43 AM
Giving weapon finesse for free to rogues at level 5 would be nice. It would be high enough level to not give benefit to the already powerful rogue/fighter build but favor pure rogues and unconventional rogue multiclasses.
Title: Re: Free Finesse for rogues
Post by: SamB123 on August 22, 2021, 04:23:20 PM
Quote from: Les Abysses on August 22, 2021, 05:46:39 AM
EFU tends to have a lot of strength and full plate pure rogues which are strange to me, I'd love to see either:

a) A class feature that requires being Pure
    or
b) A 4/6 perk that just gives you Weapon Finesse
I'd be fine with this. Because it'd result in paying a cost (staying pure OR choosing it as a perk).

Quote from: SanTelmo on August 22, 2021, 09:33:43 AM
Giving weapon finesse for free to rogues at level 5 would be nice.
I am not fine with this, because it's free. I guarantee you someone will find a way to abuse this.
Title: Re: Free Finesse for rogues
Post by: Nizzy on August 22, 2021, 07:53:35 PM
Quote from: Les Abysses on August 22, 2021, 05:46:39 AM
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b) A 4/6 perk that just gives you Weapon Finesse

If we think of the "value" of a feat, rogues get Shield Proficiency as a Rogue minor perk, at level 4. Weapon Finesse can be a rogue minor perk to be taken at 4 or 6.

my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Free Finesse for rogues
Post by: Random_White_Guy on August 22, 2021, 09:51:17 PM
Yeah but a Rogue using a shield is kind of a deviation from the traditional "Rogue" vibe.

A Rogue being graceful and nimble and having the innate ability for certain small weapons, is way more believable as a Class Standard matter.

It'd be like if Barbarians had to take a Feat to be good at Greataxes lol.
Title: Re: Free Finesse for rogues
Post by: Strangeways on August 23, 2021, 02:47:04 AM
Dex will still be comparatively bad to strength for melee even if this feat is free.

Title: Re: Free Finesse for rogues
Post by: Vlaid on August 23, 2021, 03:46:46 AM
If this was done at all I would make it a pure rogue only bonus granted at level 3 and removed if you multi-class into anything but a prestige class.
Title: Re: Free Finesse for rogues
Post by: Walrus Warwagon on August 23, 2021, 10:21:46 AM
Quote from: Vlaid on August 23, 2021, 03:46:46 AM
If this was done at all I would make it a pure rogue only bonus granted at level 3 and removed if you multi-class into anything but a prestige class.
Oh, this way it'll help dex rogues from the beginning, but cannot be abused. I like this idea very much.