The war made clerics so much more playable, and then in our blasphemy, we sought peace 🤣.
Seriously though, a solid pile of gold any day off forts made all the difference. I saw so many priests from when I started to the end of the war. Possibly because the amount of time it took to get a relic was lower?
I love the new options for L9 relics, and they open up so many new concepts like Combat Izdur! But there's still The Cash Grind. Yes Wizards pay for scrolls but they don't have to buy them all at once, for example.
I've got to 8 twice and 9 once now. It's easier to get the XP than the cash, especially if the priority quest isn't good for money for a while. So either you beggar yourself putting your money towards nothing exept the Relic Fund, or if you reach L9 you are stuck doing the Lower Board without your L5 slots...
No wonder I keep hearing about the classic Fighter 2/Chaplain 7 to get past the 10000GP L5 Spell Tax. The L4 slot relics are all priced around the same as good loot from a PC merchant, then the L5s are 20x as much!
It's better than V5's hoping for DM loot, but it's not good, you know? My game isn't improved here. If anything, it makes players more risk averse on their clerics because of that 10k sunk cost. I don't think Druids or Astros would be better if they suddenly had a 10k item they needed for L5 access?
5-6k could be an interesting opportunity cost with a Voice or other luxuries, rather than a big grind you just gotta get to.
I think it's alright as a goldsink, though it might be cozier to drop to somewhere around 7k, to match the similar wind-up time of a martial that isn't joining a faction. It is worth the big price, given that you'll be using it until you die.
For example: If you're rolling an independent martial that's buying full-plate, that's 5,600 (2,600 base, 1,000 aspect, 1,500 save, 500 +2 skill). Big price, but long lifespan. A relic is like that, but, more powerful spells.
Taking tithes from other characters is a great way for clerics to earn money.
No.
Quote from: Poolson on May 07, 2025, 11:14:25 PMI think it's alright as a goldsink, though it might be cozier to drop to somewhere around 7k, to match the similar wind-up time of a martial that isn't joining a faction. It is worth the big price, given that you'll be using it until you die.
For example: If you're rolling an independent martial that's buying full-plate, that's 5,600 (2,600 base, 1,000 aspect, 1,500 save, 500 +2 skill). Big price, but long lifespan. A relic is like that, but, more powerful spells.
Right, except that you can get hold of a fullplate off a merchant with equivalent or better stats to that for 1/5 of the price, and a Cleric is
also going to be using fullplate if they are a Chaplain! If not, they are still going to want spendy Aspect and Spellslot gear too.
I appreciate that Halfbrood in particular isn't interested in discussing this, but part of the reason I kick out a fair few suggestions is because game design is an interest of mine. It's nice to have a conversation about
why we have a lot of the things in our server that we do. So I really appreciate it whenever a DM does have the time to do that and takes the time to do so. I'd rather toss out an idea and go 'oh yeah good point I can see why that wouldn't work' as then I've learned something about the game :).
If I recall, the highest tier coolest relics have been that price since the beginning of v6, and plenty of people still ended up with them pre-war.
Shake around the collection plate and start gathering those Tithes.