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Title: Puzzle Room
Post by: Earmouse on March 16, 2009, 09:19:46 AM
Just wanted to do a shout out for the puzzle room quest in the Arrival's Tower. This is neat! :)
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Post by: 1019 on March 16, 2009, 01:44:51 PM
I'll second that, very cool little area, especially for player new to the server.
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Post by: TheMoonlightBecomesYou on March 16, 2009, 03:40:41 PM
It smells oddly of Johannes and formaldehyde. Towers of Hanoi, ftw
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Post by: Equinox on March 16, 2009, 04:00:08 PM
MOAR quest like this!
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Post by: tooh on March 16, 2009, 05:14:58 PM
kudos!
the simple is always better and become complex when grows.
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Post by: bloodynose21 on March 16, 2009, 11:30:11 PM
I like it, and am in favour of another solo quest!
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Post by: Listen in Silence on March 17, 2009, 03:09:06 PM
I am always in favour of non-combat quests.
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Post by: Letsplayforfun on March 17, 2009, 03:11:29 PM
I hate to break it, but isn't that one of the enigmas from the extensions?

Very nice to have those, though, really.
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Post by: Porkolt on March 20, 2009, 01:18:09 PM
Nice, easy, well-known puzzle. Can be solved in just 15 moves! But still lots of fun to waste your slow time on.
 
A great job on scripting it, I know I couldn't have done it. :D
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Post by: Szgk on March 20, 2009, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: Porkolt;116017Nice, easy, well-known puzzle. Can be solved in just 15 moves!
Try doing it again.
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Post by: Howlando on March 20, 2009, 03:31:07 PM
Ultimately solving the puzzle in its most complex form would take something in excess of several billion years, assuming five seconds a move and done perfectly, I believe.

(If anyone accomplishes that, I will give them level 40)
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Post by: Szgk on March 20, 2009, 03:43:01 PM
I think Howland has in mind the legend that inspired (or was invented by) the creator of the puzzle. It had to do with Brahman priests following an ancient prophecy by moving the 64 disks of the puzzle. According to the legend, when they solve it the world will end. Of course, that won't happen any time soon, as it needs 2^64-1 moves to complete.

Also, there is no 'most complex' form to this puzzle.
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Post by: dragonfire9000 on March 20, 2009, 03:49:08 PM
I believe Howl meant to say, "Most complex form imaginable by mankind." Then again Szgk, I've never accused you of humanity. :P

This is really quite fun, and I liked my prize... *holds up scroll of @#$@#%!@#!@#* I want to try it again quick!!
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Post by: Anonymous Bosch on March 20, 2009, 05:03:57 PM
This puzzle can extend into infinity, so no limits (assuming anyone can be bothered with more than 8 discs).
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Post by: Porkolt on March 20, 2009, 05:50:27 PM
Quote from: Szgk;116026Try doing it again.

Yeah, I figured it would probably expand after the first go.
 
I can do the five-disc in my mind as well, haven't tried the six-disc one, tbh.
 
 
Excuse me for being more focused on RPing than playing this quest over and over. :D
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Post by: Howlando on March 20, 2009, 05:58:03 PM
I meant that in its most complex form we've scripted it would take that amount of time. It does get more complex each time you do it.
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Post by: dragonfire9000 on March 24, 2009, 06:22:08 PM
This thing is a beast. The first time I did it I got a reward that was... well, I won't talk about it. Suffice to say that my buddy Ix used it to remove a mummy's face... or rather to remove the mummy's ability to remove 'his' face. Second time hold person scroll. *shrugs* The rewards keep me guessing, and the time it takes... I did the third incarnation, the one with six disks, and it took me well over a half an hour. I actually lost my mind a little.

Well done making this time consuming enough to balance it out! Drove me up a wall...
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Post by: Porkolt on March 25, 2009, 05:35:40 PM
Now, I was pleased with the ramp for rewards, but I finished the 8-disc one, and it dropped back down to just one scroll!
 
Of course, anything better than another one of those tunics, but still.
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Post by: dragonfire9000 on March 25, 2009, 05:50:14 PM
Erm.. laddo... I've never gotten more than one item. Count yourself lucky. Also, if you finished the eight-disker, you need to find yourself a hobby. A different one.
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Post by: Anonymous Bosch on March 25, 2009, 06:59:37 PM
Doing 7 schlepped me into a coma for 24 hours.
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Post by: Porkolt on March 25, 2009, 07:54:19 PM
Buncha n00bs. Just do the algorithm and it's no effort. Waste your time when nothing's going on.
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Post by: dragonfire9000 on March 25, 2009, 07:59:22 PM
It's not about the effort... it's about the LITERALLY mindless clicking. I could easily back up the action queue until no more icons would show in the top left... EASILY!
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Post by: Anonymous Bosch on March 25, 2009, 08:08:30 PM
If monotony's your thing then by all means do 7, 8 or 1'000 rings.
Once you've figured out 4, you have figured it out unto infinity.
But remember, you could be holding up some poor guy that wants to try it with 3!
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Post by: Jackie Blave on March 25, 2009, 08:15:16 PM
I tried doing eight and my mind f*cked itself.
 
 
And you can get really good stuff in there too. Scrolls are good, sometimes you can get two.... and then there are the rare item drops, those kick arse.
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Post by: Relinquish on March 25, 2009, 09:07:15 PM
It is a hugely time consuming quest once you get past 5.
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Post by: Lux Lucis on March 25, 2009, 10:53:04 PM
I love it! Only got it once. But it's still interesting. :)
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Post by: Wern8 on March 26, 2009, 12:06:16 PM
I have just completed 7 disks, it takes some time, but it is still quite possible. A question though, the maximum number of disks is about 10, no? The pillar does not look like it will take any more than that, unless it fills up another pillar as well. Or does it stack up beyond the height of the single pillar? >_>
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Post by: tooh on March 26, 2009, 01:20:37 PM
I complet it 3 times by now, last time 26 min.
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Post by: Porkolt on March 26, 2009, 04:10:20 PM
Did a bit of research yesterday. Someone mentioned that legend that the 64-disc version would be finished at the end of the world.
 
Doing that puzzle at one disc per second would take about 600 billion years. So that's actually somewhat accurate.
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Post by: Kotenku on March 30, 2009, 01:05:55 AM
6 discs was a pain in the ass.

And my reward? Rancid Fish.

These are the situations where you either laugh, or cry.

QQ
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Post by: Pestilence on March 30, 2009, 01:08:36 AM
I take Howland's challenge! I will become the first in EFU to MAYBE become lv 40!
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Post by: Porkolt on March 30, 2009, 08:32:45 AM
Yeah, the reward ramp for this quest turns out to be just a bit -too- random.
 
Saturday I played it with a new character, 4 discs, got a bunch of scrolls and a potion, one of which was a lvl 3 scroll.
 
Again yesterday, 5 discs, just one lvl 2 scroll, nothing else.
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Post by: Underbard on March 30, 2009, 11:53:56 AM
Agreed, reward is very random.  Just finished 8 discs(took about an hour).  So far, my best reward was given the first attempt, with 4 discs.
  Still a good way to kill some time when the server is near empty.
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Post by: dragonfire9000 on March 30, 2009, 05:39:09 PM
Kotenku, I feel your pain. *hugs*
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Post by: Snoteye on March 30, 2009, 05:55:53 PM
You cannot possibly fail this quest after beating the four disc version unless you're somehow prevented from completing, like if the server crashes. The reward pool may be (too) random, but rewards certainly aren't meant to scale according to the time it takes to complete the quest (except for the unique case Howland mentioned earlier, which is a pretty fair reward). It's basically just a drawn out delivery quest.