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Title: Sendings and Shouts in #efu
Post by: Howlando on April 05, 2009, 04:00:46 PM
As people have noticed, colony-sendings and DM shouts are now readable in #efu in IRC.

This is sort of an experiment, but I'm curious what people think about it.

Good? Annoying? Bad? Neutral?
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Post by: TheMoonlightBecomesYou on April 05, 2009, 04:03:45 PM
I like it, personally. It seems like something that can/will be exploited as a PG Radar, however.

What I don't understand, is that people don't all have Ziggurat tokens, so this is a freebe for them to show up at the right place, right time.

Further, I think sendings and shouts are done very seldom, so it shouldn't overwhelm too much. All in all I like it.
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Post by: Cruzel on April 05, 2009, 04:03:50 PM
I personally am outraged at all these new scripting additions. How dare you take my perfectly comfortable gaming experience and try to make it better, Jerks.


It is appalling you would think that the playerbase could make use of a system that would ease questing, meetups, and merchantile affairs and other various things.   Utterly apalling.

I hope you are alll ashamed of yourselves.
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Post by: Staring Death on April 05, 2009, 04:04:21 PM
Shouts might be good. But maybe not all of them. Perhaps there could be a switch on and off on shouts?

Sendings... well, I dislike the idea, as most of the time, they're used for quests, and people will log in to quest only. It feels more like an instrument for powergaming to me.
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Post by: ExileStrife on April 05, 2009, 04:11:01 PM
I am pretty sure that most shady players already lurk in their IRC channels, and when their in-game buddies see a quest or interesting DM shout starting they'll report to IRC getting their friends to come in.  Interested parties always seem to appear 'out of nowhere' during this stuff and it's the only explaination I can account for.

This change makes it so everybody has a chance at least, not just the people with networks of friends in hidden irc channels.
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Post by: artfuldodger99 on April 05, 2009, 04:24:19 PM
Sounds good to me Howland
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Post by: Talir on April 05, 2009, 04:34:25 PM
Would it perhaps be better to have all these sendings and shouts in a seperate channel?
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Post by: Szgk on April 05, 2009, 04:52:06 PM
I agree with Talir on this one.
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Post by: Random_White_Guy on April 05, 2009, 04:53:54 PM
I like it the way it is.

I can't count the times I've been sitting around bored on IRC and doing other things on the internet, and missed some cool RP, or someone asking about a plot I was involved in, only to miss out.

I say leave it in #EFU, personally. I've got enough IRC channels, but I like having it there.
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Post by: IxTheSpeedy on April 05, 2009, 04:57:08 PM
IxTheSpeedy gives two thumbs up.
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Post by: Jasede on April 05, 2009, 05:19:17 PM
Really good addition.
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Post by: Snoteye on April 05, 2009, 05:37:17 PM
It has been suggested by a number of parties that these be forwarded to a separate channel. I see merit in that, and have to admit I've actually found myself very annoyed with the current setup today.
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Post by: Disco on April 05, 2009, 05:44:21 PM
I do not like it. When I am not IG I dont need to know that a party for Trogs is forming, IMO it is only filling up IRC with unneeded text.
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Post by: Random_White_Guy on April 05, 2009, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: Disco;118488I do not like it. When I am not IG I dont need to know that a party for Trogs is forming, IMO it is only filling up IRC with unneeded text.

Because so much of IRC is useful text? >_>

Its like 3-5 lines, max. Not the end of the world I don't think
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Post by: Disco on April 05, 2009, 05:54:43 PM
I dont care RWG I still do not like it :-).

Ofcourse it may just be something I have to get used to.
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Post by: TheMoonlightBecomesYou on April 05, 2009, 05:55:36 PM
I suppose our mighty overlords can do a toggle on if you want to receive messages. !toggle or something, so that you're either PMed sendings or noticed them, if your name is in the list of those that wants them?
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Post by: derfo on April 05, 2009, 05:59:38 PM
I don't know how possible it is (though I assume it is reasonably easy), but maybe you could make another separate bot named 'sendings,' or 'WEIRD SCREAMING MOFO,' so that the people who cannot handle seeing a couple lines of text containing questing potential can appropriately ignore that bot?

That way it alleviates the seperate channel problem, people who are annoyed by it can simply dismiss it without missing any usual Archipelago commands, and there will be a robot named 'WEIRD SCREAMING MOFO' constantly talking. As if these benefits were not already obvious!
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Post by: Letsplayforfun on April 05, 2009, 06:10:20 PM
I don't know what to think of it, good or bad. I only wonder what the purpose of the 'experiment' is, as i don't see what it brings to the gaming experience.

Time will tell, i guess. "In DMs we trust" is my motto.
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Post by: Ebok on April 05, 2009, 06:32:22 PM
I like it.
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Post by: Listen in Silence on April 05, 2009, 06:43:03 PM
I would actually prefer for it to remain in the main channel. I've enough channels to check on as is. After all, I'm one of those sneaky IRC characters with circles of friends.
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Post by: Howlando on April 05, 2009, 07:02:25 PM
I definitely do not think the argument that it "clutters #efu" to be valid at all, considering the utter nonsense that is routinely said in there.

On balance I think it's good for the server, particularly those time-zones where things are a bit more quiet.

It isn't much fun to log on, wander around for 10 minutes looking for something/someone to do. And it isn't particularly healthy for the server for groups to develop that feel like they need to coordinate everything through their own private channels and/or PMs.

I guess the bottom line for me is that I tend to think that on balance it will encourage player interaction and help players have more fun here.

I also think it will be nice for the more casual player who can't really invest the time to spend so much time in-game but who can easily leave IRC up.

It is true that it is a bit of a freebie for those PCs that are not within the Ziggurat ruins or who don't have tokens, but that doesn't bother me much.
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Post by: Howlando on April 05, 2009, 07:06:04 PM
Players having the option to mute/ignore Archipelago or whoever seems like it'd be reasonable for those players that would prefer that.
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Post by: Sinister Seneschal on April 05, 2009, 07:37:55 PM
This is so awesome. Anyone who doesn't like it has to answer to me.
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Post by: Solanin13 on April 05, 2009, 07:56:45 PM
I think it's a great idea. Yes, it can be an issue concerning power questers, but I think that's more of an issue of original sending system being used in such a way to begin with.
 
Seeing something like "Hey you Sharb guards! Pay attention! There's a man robbing people blind in the docks!" or "I'm looking for a potion brewer and wand crafter" or "Cutters, There be an opportune knife in between the ribs of the poor beggar hiding behind the Hanged Goblin." in IRC can lead to loads of RP.
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Post by: Halfbrood on April 05, 2009, 08:26:33 PM
I like it. As Howland said, I have always hated logging on early GMT and wandering around aimlessly, only to log out.
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Post by: Caddies on April 05, 2009, 09:53:30 PM
Its great.
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Post by: artfuldodger99 on April 05, 2009, 10:28:35 PM
As someone who has limited playing time, but can leave IRC up an check it now and again its great!
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Post by: Sternhund on April 05, 2009, 10:43:23 PM
It's awesome. Beyond sendings for quests, it'd be a more interesting way of becoming aware of major events happening IG that are announced through DM shouts and on the Ziggurat Token, giving everyone a chance to participate.
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Post by: The Crimson Magician on April 05, 2009, 10:51:31 PM
Lovely.
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Post by: Wern8 on April 05, 2009, 11:27:43 PM
It is utterly awesome. I have no criticism.
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Post by: Ommadawn on April 06, 2009, 12:32:57 AM
I really like it too. I am in two minds regarding using a separate channel. I leave my IRC client running even when I'm at work or out, and so I simply won't see most of the posted shouts or sendings as they are lost in the clutter.

This may not be a problem as almost all of them will be irrelevant to me, but it would be nice to have them pop up in a separate channel that is simply used for these broadcasts. That way the interesting sendings and shouts my character would have heard are right there for me to see.

Regardless of which way you actually do it, it is a great addition imo.
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Post by: 9lives on April 06, 2009, 01:36:35 AM
p.sweet
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Post by: Not.Him.Again on April 06, 2009, 03:52:47 AM
I think its brilliant.
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Post by: Snoteye on April 06, 2009, 07:51:08 AM
I just want to point out that, due to Archipelago's other services, ignoring it isn't actually an option!
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Post by: DeputyCool on April 06, 2009, 10:53:27 AM
It could hardly be said to be cluttering the channel. It spits out 3 or 4 lines every 15 or 20 minutes. At worst, what it says is irrelevent to you and you simply ignore it.

Think of it as an automated DrDragon.
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Post by: Velve on April 06, 2009, 11:51:36 AM
I kind of think of it the other way... The mindless drivel (Albeit often very fun mindless drivel) that goes on in that channel will often drown out the sendings and shouts.. But other than that its great!
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Post by: Sedarine on April 06, 2009, 03:52:40 PM
You guys never cease to amaze me with the cool stuff you can do!

That's really awesome!
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Post by: Snoteye on April 06, 2009, 03:52:59 PM
That mindless drivel is my home. Nobody ever understands me. :(
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Post by: TheMoonlightBecomesYou on April 06, 2009, 07:40:03 PM
Emoeye?
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Post by: AKMatt on April 06, 2009, 07:46:02 PM
Seems like a pretty cool idea.  Haven't been around lately to know.