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Title: Silence instead of Spellfailure underwater
Post by: athousandyearsofpain on May 03, 2009, 04:06:59 PM
In the underwater-areas there is a spellfailure added to casters, at least it was last time I was down there.
Its to prevent them from casting while underwater I guess.
But what about if you have silent spell, should you not be able to cast underwater then?
Right now the spellfailure prevents you from doing so.
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Post by: The Crimson Magician on May 03, 2009, 04:17:25 PM
It's probably likely that water slows the movement of your hands as well.
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Post by: Relinquish on May 03, 2009, 04:22:01 PM
You can cast spells underwater despite the spellfailure, it isn't 100% spell failure.
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Post by: Egon the Monkey on May 03, 2009, 04:55:50 PM
Bonus Egon Points for the first screeny of someone casting Drown underwater :P.
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Post by: lovethesuit on May 03, 2009, 07:26:25 PM
Nah.
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Post by: Drakill Tannan on May 03, 2009, 11:51:06 PM
But you can speak underwater...
And besides the penatly is not 100% Adeline used to summon things underwater.
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Post by: Ebok on May 04, 2009, 03:13:13 AM
Quote from: Drakill Tannan;123692But you can speak underwater...

No, you cannot.

You could -try- in lue of holding your breath, but cant since you cant not holding your breath ic.
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Post by: petey512 on May 04, 2009, 03:54:46 AM
Quote from: Drakill Tannan;123692But you can speak underwater...
And besides the penatly is not 100% Adeline used to summon things underwater.

How can one speak underwater?


I'd like to know the secret.
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Post by: VanillaPudding on May 04, 2009, 05:14:48 AM
Um, go under water and try it. That's my best suggestion!
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Post by: Ommadawn on May 04, 2009, 05:22:28 AM
Just because you can mechanically talk under water doesn't mean you should.
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Post by: Drakill Tannan on May 04, 2009, 03:13:38 PM
The point is, there is no reason why you couldn't chant a spell underwater, but it would be dificult to do so well.

And no, i didn't mean "talk" as tryping in NWN, in real life you CAN talk underwater.
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Post by: Crod Mondoon on May 04, 2009, 03:21:24 PM
But, if given to long winded sentences, one tends to drown..
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Post by: Mort on May 04, 2009, 03:31:34 PM
QuoteAnd no, i didn't mean "talk" as tryping in NWN, in real life you CAN talk underwater.

But you can't be heard so this is moot.
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Post by: Drakill Tannan on May 04, 2009, 07:24:06 PM
Only by someone else who is underwater.
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Post by: Mort on May 04, 2009, 08:21:25 PM
Uh? <_< In what world do you live in?
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Post by: scribjellydonut on May 04, 2009, 08:31:45 PM
Quote from: Mort;123960Uh? <_< In what world do you live in?

You can talk underwater, but it's very muffled and almost impossible to understand - you have to speak very loud and distinct.  I guess no one here was very curious as a kid and tried this?
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Post by: Relinquish on May 04, 2009, 08:33:42 PM
NWN =/= real world.

You can not speak underwater.
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Post by: SkillFocuspwn on May 04, 2009, 08:36:35 PM
Um, I'm pretty sure you can, seeing as you do not have 100% spell failure and this is intentional. It just can't be heard (something that doesn't matter for spells), and often sucks.

I'm pretty sure this is also due to making complex hand movements under water as well, both things beind very difficult and thus leading to spell failure. Even with Still/Silent spell, you would face one of the two problems and have a possibility of failure.
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Post by: Drakill Tannan on May 04, 2009, 08:46:02 PM
Quote from: scribjellydonut;123965You can talk underwater, but it's very muffled and almost impossible to understand - you have to speak very loud and distinct.  I guess no one here was very curious as a kid and tried this?

Thanks. I was about to give up and admit i was insane.

Quote from: Relinquish;123967NWN =/= real world.

You can not speak underwater.

Actually, if we let aside real-life stuff, you can speak underwater, mechanically nothing stops you from pressing enter and typing anything you want. So, if NWN =/= real life, then there is no reason whatsoever not to speak underwater.
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Post by: Relinquish on May 04, 2009, 08:51:06 PM
Anyway, I think it's time for a final decision and ruling on speaking underwater, and a lock IMO.
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Post by: scribjellydonut on May 04, 2009, 10:58:00 PM
I think it's just best left to the player's discretion
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Post by: Mort on May 04, 2009, 11:09:52 PM
No speaking underwater.

Casting a spell doesn't require you to be HEARD. It requires you to chant and it is something more complex which the spellfailure reflects that.

Speech is entirely different matter requiring the person near you to comprehend you and I wont get into the whole physic of sounds, but you can't hear people underwater when they are like distancing you by a meter or more, you need to be like REAL close to hear anything and it's all muffled up. And that's if they are no noise or anything else around you which in our environment, there should be. (waves, angry troglodytes, whatever..)

So no, you cant talk or give orders to your partners underwater. That's that.