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So, finally decided to leave. May/may not come back at an as-of-yet undetermined point in the future. Not fond of direction things are going. Later. (And <3 derf)

Well. Ghostwise are flavored in that they have a history and culture, but the same thing can be said for the many other subraces that aren't application only.

Like the Sun Elves, who primarily occupy the elf-only island of Evermeet. Or the Wild Elves. Or Wood Elves. I listed them separately because despite superficial similarities, they are apparently both distinct and, surprise! app-free.

Then we have the rest of the Halflings. By which I mean Strongheart and Lightfoot. Which again, most people fail to distinguish from one another, despite wide cultural gaps. Still, app-free. You could play a dog-riding cavalryman from Luiren and, oh look, no app!

Oh well, I guess it's not like we don't already have a slew of app-only races that nobody ever bothers with.

Just send an app if you want to play a ghostwise. If there are so few and you have a reason to play one you'll surely get it aproved.

Please read my post. Not everyone wants to app.

I believe another problem that cropped up were people playing ghostwise as if they were stargazers.... So. App only.

Again, please read. If people are being lazy and playing one race as another, then that's a problem with players. It's a problem with players that has existed as long as I've played, and it's a problem that isn't going to be fixed by setting up roadblocks.

And as stated, stargazer apps are easy. Just send it in with a basic understanding of what they are and you'll probably get accepted and given a bit more information from the DMs to help you play them right.

Again. Some of us don't want to apply to play Stargazers. Some of us want to play plain old Ghostwise. There is a difference. If you aren't aware of that, then there happens to be a lot of reading you may or may not be interested in.

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On another note do you even know about stargazers, MD?

Yes.

MD you are being silly. App for a ghostwise then but they are VERY VERY close to the same damn thing. It makes little sense to play ghostwise over a stargazer. If you wish to anyways go for it.

Then we're admitting that EfU's ripped off something and passed it off as it's own for no good reason? Worse, that something Ed Greewood made up is being ripped off?

Some of us don't want to play Stargazers? Not all of us want to send in an application for one? Some of us recognize that there is a distinction between one and the other?

If it's because people were picking Ghostwise and intentionally portraying them as Stargazers, then fine. Perhaps it would be a good move to speak to those players. If it's because Mort just likes Stargazers more, that's just blatant favoritism.

To say that they're essentially gazers is to say that the DMs essentially plagiarized an entire subrace and credited themselves with it's creation.

Except Drow, Duergar, and Minotaurs all have quite significant mechanical and roleplaying advantages that don't exist for Ghostwise.

Besides, if someone was jealous that Ghostwise were getting more attention than their Stargazers, wouldn't it just make more sense to remove them outright? Or at least illustrate to people that the individuals responsible for the creation of Stargazers didn't just copy the existing Ghostwise, and were bright enough to make their own unique, distinctive group?

Because making them app-only sort of makes it seem like there's no distinction. And that people are less concerned with how people play, and more concerned with what they play.

Of course they do. We're sitting on top of a giant teleporting machine that's malfunctioning and sucking in people from all over Faerun. Everything fits.

I want to become the admiral of a fleet of ships.

Scripted quests are kinda silly as is, I don't think you need to get too concerned about any given Wizard's efficacy on them.

Fuck Greenwood.

I wholly endorse this suggestion.

Bring back THAC0, IMO

None of these people were as hardcore as Azzam. Wait, sorry, AZZAM.

Um. Bocho? Game over.

This is way better than my suggestion of magical violent diarrhea from over-use of potions.

But in all seriousness- Few things irritate me as much as seeing unreasonable quantities of potions/consumables being used. My feelings are that they're supposed to be used relatively infrequently with perhaps a more severe impact on combat. While this suggestion might be over-doing it, I do think that in a relatively low magic world, potions could be limited more than they currently are.