One handed...spears?

Started by meow-mix, March 25, 2011, 02:20:54 AM

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Nuclear Catastrophe

It can be done.  We'll see if we want it!

Drakill Tannan

I don't. Druids and sorceres use spears quite often. Removing the 1.5x STR damage on them would weaken such users severely. Furthermore the spear looks to me as the perfect weapon for a wild or barbaric PC, it's a basic, simple weapon by all standarts, and doesn't need any metal.

Maybe we could do that with the tridents instead? That way the simple weapon gets to be used by druids/sorcerers and we can still have our 1-handed "spearish"es.

Egon the Monkey

Quote from: Garem;231276Making all spears into one-handed weapons is not a change that cannot be worked around with extreme ease by substituting in "halberds" for your concept.  (Pun intended.)

I disagree, Garem. You're only thinking of chars that would already have Martial Weapons. Making it only one-handed would:
  • Take away the opportunity for many classes to use a 'longspear' or in fact any two-handed weapons without buying a feat you can't always afford, as quarterstaves are a double weapon now.
  • Prevent non-Small Druids from using any 2 handed weapon, ever, since even if they claim "It is a spear", druids cannot select weapon feats on levelup.
Quote from:  "you axed for it"2H is just what bards/clerics take because its the best mechanical weapon for their classes without having to take feats.
Currently it's a 1d8 x3 crit 2h weapon. A shield with a Club or Dagger doesn't look so good on the base stats, but when you realise how powerful many of the drops are for those (+1d4 isn't that uncommon, there's no need to hope for DM favour), it more than balances out. A 1d8 x3 crit one handed Simple weapon would be far more powerful mechanically, rather than currently where it's the weakest two handed weapon except for Tridents. Everybody would use Spears as a Battleaxe-equivalent weapon that has +1 damage versions or better, unlike now where a good Club or Dagger is a decent choice too.

Changing spears to Medium would only damage variety on the server, while adding nothing that couldn't be accomplished mechanically or stylistically in other ways. Use a Battleaxe or Hammer if you want the stats. Carry a spear, shortsword and shield like Praxes did if you want a "Phalanx" PC. The only real benefit would be Gnome or Halfling Sorcerers using Sorc spears.  One way to get around that Stargazers can't use spears to hunt, would be to give them Weapon Proficiency: Martial as a feat along with changing Tridents to Medium if weapons editing is in the works.

If Mort's response of "it won't, chill" was to Ebok being worried that it would stop you using them as 2 handers, then ignore the above concerns about it impeding 2 handed weapon use. It wasn't clear. A change that simply makes Spears useable as 2handed weapons for small PCs or creates, for example a 1d4 x3 crit Shortspear class of weapon would be amazing. One that makes them Medium weapons would be likely more harm than good.