Athletic and Shadow Rogue Perks

[rolld20]

Shadow

"Years of elusive play has made you a part of the background, more easily concealed in both day and night."

Perk bonuses: 15% Concealment, +3 Hide, +3 Move Silently.

Athletic

"Chased throughout childhood and being on the run have given you increased speed as a trait of survival. A standing motto for you have always been to be a bit faster than the slowest of the group."

Perk bonus: +15% movement speed, +2 reflex.

These two rogue major perks lack a "flavorful" element.  Especially the Athletic perk.  I'd suggest that rogues with the shadow perk get one use of invisibility sphere per day and that Athletic get to re-roll failed climb checks.

[BardofDeath]

As it is, they are pretty strong. Why make them stronger?

[half_man_can]

Athletic perk is utterly amazing especially combined with Rooftop Runner, 20% speed?  Any rogue by L8 failing climbing checks should just die for such failures.

[CondorHero]

Doesn't matter how much tumble and climb points you have. You still fail on a 1. Letting rogues with the perk re - roll essentially remove that 5% chance of failure.

[rolld20]

Those bonuses are not as good as people like to think they are.  Especially a movement speed bonus that as far as I know doesn't stack with haste.  

But yeah, the reroll is to make it so those with "athletic perk" never fail.  Which is reasonable.  Invisibility sphere is pretty weak sauce as it only lasts a few rounds and only applies within a very limited radius.  

Just some minor additions to reinforce the theme of the perks rather than make them more powerful.  Things that can't be supplemented with potions or magic as the current bonuses currently can.

[Talir]

Stealth bonuses is something the majority of rogues desire. Coupled with a strong concealment makes Shadow a very strong perk. It needs nothing more.

Atlethc has +15% movement speed. That alone makes it incredibly good.

Going to lock this thread as these are not on the board for any changes anytime soon. If you'd like to suggest new perks, by all means add to the thread for it.