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Why would you pay money/waste your time to experience another dull, linear dungeon grind?

Agreed, FWIW.

Jackboots are the key to Banite success.

I'm told Johannes has fixed the lesser planar binding / blindsight issue now. Thanks Johannes!

OWN, I am sure you do prepare for being seen while playing your stealth PC buddy. I'd just like to point out that has nothing to do with the specific suggestion at all though - and nor does anything else you said.

If the issue is 24 hour summons via blindsight on lvl 3 summons, why not just remove blindsight from the lvl 3's and lower but keep it on lvl 4 or on lvl 5.

That's exactly what I suggested in the first post. :rolleyes:

I've already been lectured to in the thread about not having any class in bringing this issue up, because it was assumed I failed to stealthgank someone despite not playing in months. I'm sure whatever conclusions cooked up in IRC by the EFU airmchair general staff are equally as amusing. No need to apologize!

Back onto topic, the point you seem to miss Sea and Stars, is that all of  those methods you listed (Dispel, Dismissal, etc.) alert the wizard,  elminating absolute intiative (usually required to kill a high level  wizard in the hands of a good player), and none of them can be done  without breaking stealth. The balance issue at hand, I think, is that  wizards with this perk go from being the hardest class to kill to being  literally ungankable - a fundamental balance concern, in my opinion.

The mainstream availability of blindsight on stable summons is definitely a concern, and this is being removed from the mainstream light and plant themes which feature it.

It has also been removed from Hook Horror Hive Defenders and their hatchlings, for whom the blindsight feat is thematically unusual.

Other themes with blindsight on them are handed out as DM loot, and are available as an incentive for proactivity (although the ooze theme has historically been granted via application. I think that it's fair to discuss revising this policy). The DM loot that any individual PC is deemed to merit, including non-mainstream summoning themes, does not come into any general discussions about balance.

If there are further issues with mainstream summoning themes with blindsight, we would appreciate players bringing them up.

You're addressing issues I didn't bring up, either out of confusion about the original point or as a method of subterfuge.

The specific issue, the -actual- (and obvious) source of the post, is wizards having permanent autodetection of stealth through the use of Lesser Planar Binding, even with DM loot. This is an undeniable balance problem which needs a quick fix, and has many easy solutions.

Assuming that balance concerns -even those which stem from DM-administered perks to specific players- aren't inherently communal in nature, it's obvious that the issue wasn't being discussed internally, and  given I received no reply in IRC PMs, what other recourse is available?

I will be sure to make myself available on IRC around midday European time tomorrow if you want to discuss the issue; I for one would be interested to identify the reason for your hesitations.

It is something that should be looked at -- however, you overestimate how good it is. Unless the player's running around with a pack of level 3-4-5 summons and everyone hostile they can still be ambushed just by the practical limitations of hostiling at the right time. While this may seem ooc, the summons assuredly are not told by the wizard to go on rampage mode and crush everything that is hiding around them ally or otherwise.

Summons aren't the crux of the issue, its having them 24/7 through lesser planar binding. Wizards with permanent stealth auto-detection are completely unbalanced.

I'm grateful that you've raised this for discussion, Caddies. It is clear that it is a subject that you believe in very passionately, and I definitely take that seriously. I am eager to facilitate an animated and productive discussion on the subject, but I hope that you will consider toning back the counter-productively angry tone of your posts which is sabotaging your case.

Haven't got the time/interest to be smarmy, I'll stick with blunt.

As blindsight on certain summoned creatures has been a well-established feature of EFU for many years now, I  think that this would be more appropriate in the suggestions forum.

Yes, but summoning a level three summon for 24 hours with planar binding hasn't been around for years. I'm against wizards (stealthed PCs being their only real weakness) having permanent access to automatic stealth detection, and as a DM, I assumed you would be too given this is a glaring balance concern (and thus why I thought it was a bug).

Valo for what it's worth I always enjoyed your playstyle -- the willingness to take risks and be ambitious in general...I hope you don't change it up in that regard. My advice would be do more of the same, eventually you'll figure out the method submerged in the madness.

Nobody has the power to do that.

You can seize power but it is difficult - it wouldn't be worth doing if it wasn't.

You need -ridiculous- amounts of power or enough charisma to sway an -entire- server just to follow your interests and get your desired results through an IC manner. What you're asking of people is a very high order.

I wouldn't say 'ridiculous' amounts. It is a high order but very much doable. The server's history is littered with characters who have done this... the Montezzis, de Olid, Sunellar and a whole litany of other PCs have, for periods of time, effectively controlled the server.

See a DM, dude. Probably someone like Johannes or Snoteye.

lol @ letting Conclave be top dogs