Get rid of perform

[Cruzel]

Except using that one point in perform can make a pure bard vastly superior to a pure fighter.  The bard who actually sticks to bard levels and takes ranks in perform can definately match or even surpass a fighter with ease.

most bards are going to have to make some hard choices.

And so they should!  Howland once told me when commenting on my blatant powerbuilding ; "You shouldn't try to make a PC who is amazing at everything, just pick some stuff and go with it."  Or something along those lines.  As said earlier in this thread, Bards have the option to focus on a few things and rock them out, or spread their skills out more evenly and be multitalented but not amazing.

Bards are  amazing enough as it is tbh.  Anything that improves them mechanicaly is really unneeded >.>

[Cruzel]

Rather, If your complain is that they do not get enough skillpoints per level, Have the DMs lock this thread and suggest that bards get the amount of skillpoints per level boosted. (Which is also possible and very easy. In fact, MUCH easier than removing perform as it's literally as easy as changing one number. Removing perform would require Nwscript edits as well and such.)

[SN]

Rather, If your complain is that they do not get enough skillpoints per level, Have the DMs lock this thread and suggest that bards get the amount of skillpoints per level boosted. (Which is also possible and very easy. In fact, MUCH easier than removing perform as it's literally as easy as changing one number. Removing perform would require Nwscript edits as well and such.)

Son of a bitch. Cruzel is right.

[Equinox]

14 Int human bard gets 7 SP's per level. Not enough?

How many bards do you see with 14 int >_>

in all honesty i like the perform skill. for a couple of reasons.

1. Shows how commited a bard is to their art.

2. Forces powerbuilt ftrs who take bard for arcane wands and bardsong to use their skillpoints in making the bardsong actually worth it.

Though really, a much better fix for this would be to increase the amount of skillpoints given to bards per level. (1d6 if this is possible)

[ScottyB]

It would be easy to provide an override that increased the bard's skill points. HOWEVER, anyone who does not download the override will not be able to take advantage of the extra points. This means that players who download the extra content have a clear advantage over players who wandered into the server, have been playing for a while, or do not realize they've improperly installed the override.

We could create a new formula for bard song that is less reliant on Perform. But we would have to make sure it is balanced; and we would have to agree that bards need this kind of help in the first place.

[Jayde Moon]

I vote no.  Perform and Bard are like black and white, Ozzie and Harriet, Thelma and Louise, Oreo and Cookie, Winston and Martin.

Keep perform.  Cross class for other classes.  Bluff/Persuade class skill for all classes.

Thank you.

[FanaticusIncendi]

I will always stand by any arguement that allows for the crushing of the insistence "I took bard (or rogue) levels for the social skills"  Screw that IMO.  If I want to play a diplomatic fighter, I should be able to do so.

Similarily, if I want to play an artisticly inclined wizard,  why should that be cross class if I want to take perform ranks?

SOCIAL SKILLS are something everyone has. Limiting them to two classes in the first place is completely retarded. The only thing this tends to lead to are poorly relecfted skillpoints in  RP because you can't take enough skills to compliment your concept to begin with.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

[Mort]

The amount of people who agree with Cruzel is disheartening and too much for my mind to bear.

Going to lock this.