Chosen of Gaathmar

[TheImpossibleDream]

I like these guys, they're tough, but with the new ai they seem pretty brutal for a standard spawn. I've yet to be killed by one, but the fact that they can drop from invis with shield, bulls, endurance, haste and rage seems kinda intense for a regular non dm encounter.

I really think they need to be looked at and perhaps either remove thier potions OR remove them as a possibility to spawn in the waves of orcs part 1. I've yet to die to them, but I think thats just luck.

They also have very high ac after drinking thier potions, so it can be difficult to kill them before they land that critical hit that pretty much will kill most of every character who is not a barbarian or a very high con fighter.

Alternatively they could give a very high amount of experience points per kill or drop loot similiar to a hero spawn. At the moment fighting one is far more risk than reward.

[TeufelHunden]

I completely agree with Naga here having just been killed by one from two hits with 88 hp

[Canzah]

I like how Naga pointed out twice he has never been killed by one.

[Dr Dragon]

I will contribute to the discussion acknowledging that I have never been killed by one. But these things are more powerful and deadly then most hero spawns and with all the potions they drink as well as being impossible to dispel they are pretty unstoppable especially when there is 2-3 of them on you. I will add I have never been killed by one but I know a lot of people who have been crit to death. I also have never been killed by one ever.

[prestonhunt]

While I have never personally been killed by one, I have lost characters to them several times.  Having not personally been killed by one though, I too think they are overpowered and agree with Naga about not having been killed by one.

[Drakill Tannan]

I remember te chosen were good to see, they offered fun challenge and great reward. Now they are fun, remove 1/3 of your XP (wich counters the fun factor) and give no reward.

Now i finally see why people hate the potion chugging AI. Their strongest potions should be removed, IMO, shield and haste. And they should always carry a heafty amount of gold. That would make them fine... for the most part.

[core]

Crossposting from the other thread-

Perhaps invis should be removed as I don't personally feel it's a Chosen of Gaathmar's style so to speak, but I can't speak for the team on that. They present a considerable challenge that PCs who have encountered them should be aware of, but I don't think that challenge is excessive.

[SanTelmo]

Never been killed by one and never seen anyone killed by one. Only heard rumours of them killing people and ruining lives. But I still whole heartedly support this post and everything said before and after.

[Drakill Tannan]

Yesterday i saw Brok'Tor being killed by one in one hit. Brok was uninjured and had like 30 AC or something. One hit man. Same happened to Laura Milomen, one hit. Jhon steel died on that quest too. Everything was perfect untill the chosen showed up, so i assume they killed him as well. They do kill people.

The problem is not their damage, it's how long it takles to kill them when they start drinking potions as if they were soda. They already have a lot of life, but add 10% concealment, +4 AC from shield, sometimes barbskin... and even haste. Each round you fight one is 5% chance of 63 damage per attack. When it takes 10 rounds to kill them they are dangerous, when it takes 30 it's bound to happen. The potions just leave PCs too vulnerable to luck screwing them with a one-hit-kill critical.

IMO give them greatswords or flails if you're gonna keep them nearly inmortal. That way it's not THAT dangerous and you get the chance to drink a healing potion afterthey land a 20.

[AKMatt]

I thought the whole point was that they kill people.  So many people saying they've never been killed by one, please buff.

[derfo]

I've never been killed by one either.

[Talir]

There's been 117 deaths to Chosens of Gaathmar.

They will continue to remain deadly.

[Dr Dragon]

THey always were deadly before giving them potions and invis gank galore. But a mob so stuff should spawn loot that makes fighhting them worth it in my OP.

[Craig210]

There's been 117 deaths to Chosens of Gaathmar.

They will continue to remain deadly.

Keep them deadly, but risk should equal reward. These are far more challenging than orcan hero spawns. So give them hero loot. A single chosen can change the course of a battle with ease, people who tackle them deserve the reward for the risk undertaken.

[Spiffy Has]

They are now as deadly as they are intended to be. I see no problem here.