Momma said knock you out

[Random_White_Guy]

Inspired by the "REMOVE FD" posting, and LPFF's idea to beef up subdaul, I thought this would be interesting.


If you really want to change Subdual, I'd say it send you to a "Knocked Unconcious" place like the Fugue. You would still drop a movable corpse, and all of your gear, but you would simply be "Unconscious".

@Darkness is often used for dream like states and other things by the DM Staff.

A sort of "You have been knocked unconcious.In 5 OOC minutes you may return to conciousness." No XP penalty, just potential loss of gear and other implications.

Some cool random events like coma-dreams and otherwise, would add some emphasis to being subdued.

5 minutes of OOC unconciousness leaving your stuff and body wherever it is would lead to a lot of serious events, and make "Kidnapping", "Slaving", and other issues a very real possibility.

Dragging someone along, if they wake up, pop them in the face again and back to dream land. I can think of dozens of scenarios where this would be greatly appreciated by PCs and used for interesting conflcit and interaction.

Instead of a LOLPREBUFFGANK invis, you could jump a guy, subdue them, then drag their unconscious body to your safe-house or somewhere out of the way.

This way you can have good, honest, enjoyable assassin RP or kidnapping or living sacrifices without it being hashed out in a 30 second "Shit here comes everyone to gank me, gotta RP quick and run". fashion

[Random_White_Guy]

Hostage situations, kidnappings, living sacrifice, hostile interrogation...

KO someone, drag them to a hideout.

Wait for them to wake up.

Interrogate and beat them under a mask and disguise.

KO them again

Drop them somewhere safe in the sewer, or near the Main gate.

Run away.

[Thomas_Not_very_wise]

This

[ExileStrife]

We were doing this once.  I don't know what happened to it.  I think maybe somebody found some weird, glaring technical reason that made it impossible to do actually.  I don't remember that well though.  It was like ScottyB who was looking into it iirc.

[Pup]

This should be in place.

[derfo]

I remember this being proposed a long time ago, and I can definitely think of quite a few cool means to use this off the top of my head, were it possibly implemented in a really simple form.

[Yalta]

This sounds excellent. If do-able it would make sub-dual actually scary as you really have no idea what is going on and the attackers plans can't be meta-gamed, intentially or otherwise by the supposedly "unconscous" victim.
 
Maybe you could come out of it after a predetermined time (3 IG hours maybe?) or by someone waking you via a command?
 
Anyway, very good idea.

[Random_White_Guy]

Hell. The FD System in place could may even be used for such, if Subdual was added to the serve to send you to the Fugue.

Simply a different conversation, with the Kelemvorite?

I know absolutely nothing about scripting but if you're already there, it could just be checked if you were sent there on Subdual or on FD, and give you a different conversation maybe?

"Oh, no, you're not dead. Calm down, you're just unconscious. It is not your time to be here. //Check back in five minutes to respawn to your corpse with no XP penalty"

[Yalta]

Yes. Make it simple with a standard length of time... just enough for your attackers to grab your body and get it somewhere *fast* 5 minutes RL or so.
 
As RWG says the same scripting as the Fugue, but make it an OOC one with someone that you speak with and then you can "respawn" when you have waited the alotted time?

[Divine Intervention]

This sounds awesome.

[Capricious]

The only problem I see here is that people will be more likely to be full looted since the gear will just be laying there for 5 minutes while a fight still rages, and basically no one watching.

Also, if you grab a friend and drag them to safety there's really no way to grab any of their gear (which really is on their person for all intents and purposes). Afterall, allies will want to grab people before their enemies get to them first.

If some way to do this where people wouldn't necessarily need to leave everything behind when knocked unconscious could be done then it's a very good idea. But the fact that the subdued person is there watching what's being taken is a form of deterrent for people full looting. A pack next to a seemingly dead body sort of says "grab it fast before it's gone!"

[Random_White_Guy]

Risk.

Teaches people not to mouth off. Teaches people not to cause trouble without willing to take the lumps.

Brings more seriousness to PvP, without FD.

Get your head bashed in and you may wake up naked in a cornfield.

[shrug]

[Capricious]

Of course the alternate risk is people become unwilling to enter conflict for fear of losing loot. I'm not really saying it shouldn't happen so much as I'm trying to see the downside to something like this. If people become too cautious then we've got a situation where very few interesting things happen.

The problem is even if people don't mean to take your things when they kidnap you or whatever, they almost certainly won't be able to. So those things will just sit wherever you were grabbed, and will be picked through by whatever person happens to walk by next.

[Jayde Moon]

I might be mistaken, friends, but when you are FDed, I'm pretty sure you lose all of your gear, too...

I've never been a fan of DMs locking people's packs... if you want to be caught rifling through someone's things in the midst of a raging battle, well... hop to it.

I do think some sort of means to slow the rate at which you can collect stuff out of it, but the practice itself should be a valid one.

[Buns in the Oven]

People get full-looted anyhow. Even when subdued.