Tumble bug

Reo · February 13, 2011, 06:02:58 AM

Sorry wish I looked at the features before putting tumble on a armor charecter. Anyways now that I have 5 tumble from skill points it's showing ac decrease. The problem here is when I un-equipt my armor or shield I lose another ac. At the moment I have 22 ac I should have 23 with the + 5 tumble but the feature keeps me at 22. When I un-equipt re-equipt a shield or armor i go down to 21 ac. Is there anyway I can have my skill points in tumble removed by a single point? Would rather have put it into spellcraft if touble wasn't going to help me anyways. But If I can just have 1 point removed that would help a lot!

Spiffy Has · February 13, 2011, 06:05:24 AM

EFu feature, not a bug. Prevents people from exploiting the tumble dodge bonus -to- easily.

Edited since I read the rest of the post- Well, you can either find tumble equipment, or die, and don't put a tumble point at level 7 in the slot. :(

Reo · February 13, 2011, 06:07:13 AM

Right but what I mean is.. without the tumble points I have, my ac wouldn't go from 22 armored up to 18 un-shielded to 21 re-shielded.. Get what I'm saying? the tumble doesn't give me the ac due to my armor. But I'm losing ac when I un-equipt and re-equipt..

Spiffy Has · February 13, 2011, 06:09:48 AM

It's the script zonking out.

Reo · February 13, 2011, 06:12:01 AM

So if I can lose a tumble point it won't "zonk" out on me.. Which is what I'm trying to have done.

Pup · February 13, 2011, 08:44:19 AM

I'm not sure what is happening is clear. If your TOTAL tumble score does not exceed 5 after penalties and bonuses, AND your ranks are greater than 5, the engine will reduce your AC by one. It will appear as the "red down arrow* in the top right. If you overcome the armor and shield penalties, it will return to normal.

I personally play a char where this matters, and it works fine for me. I'd double check your TOTAL ranks in tumble when equipping or un-equipping your armor and shield.

BTW, unless you have an extreme dexterity or really high ranks in tumble, you will not likely get the bonus when using both armor and a shield.

VanillaPudding · February 13, 2011, 10:02:47 AM

The bug report is -

QuoteAt the moment I have 22 ac I should have 23 with the + 5 tumble but the feature keeps me at 22. When I un-equipt re-equipt a shield or armor i go down to 21 ac.

It's stacking the penalty.

Reo · February 13, 2011, 05:08:46 PM

Well, it needs to stop. Because I'm losing an ac that I should have when I'm in battle, and the only way to gain it back is to un-equipt and re-equipt my armor which somtimes I can't even do in battle.. So I'd much apreciate the tumble point taken off my char so I don't have to deal with losing extra AC that shouldn't be lost. I had a dm already look at it and he said there was somthing wrong as well..

xXCrystal_Rose · February 13, 2011, 06:27:23 PM

VP cut out the key section. The script is making her lose more AC than she -should- be losing. It's not counterbalancing the tumble, it's reducing more than the tumble would have gained.

Normally her AC is 22. This is correct, with the script reducing her +1 ac from tumble, keeping her from reaching 23. She has a shield that is +2 ac and +1 shield modifier, for 3 total. When her shield is removed, rather than going down to 19 AC, she goes down to 18 AC. Further, when she re-equips it, her AC is 21, and not the 22 it was just a moment before. Hope that example helps clear up how this is functioning for her.

Edit: Tested this more. Specifically, it is when the tumble is a negative number that AC is lost.